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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by rfgplk »

paxys wrote: post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

> People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I've said this countless times already; if OpenAI or Anthropic were serious about world domination they would offer an infinite $500 to $1000/month tier subscription. No limits; eat as much as you'd like buffet. Maybe limit concurrent connection (say 10 conns max in parallel) to limit abuse. This would actually allow regular users to run 24/7 agentic loops, massively speeding up deployment. Win win for everyone.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by ipdashc »

colechristensen wrote: post #23
reenorap wrote: post #22

How is 5 hrs being measured and over what time period?

In all of them I've seen it's a window that starts when you haven't been using it in a while and begin work OR when your previous window expired. The window starts with a set number of tokens and cuts you off when they're used, it is fully reset at the end of the window (it's not a sliding window). When you haven't used any tokens for an extended amount of time it reverts to the point where whenever you send your fir…

Hm, it seems like it'd make sense to automate a script to send one small prompt at, say, 7 or 8am so that you get your reset around noon instead of having to wait until 5h or more into the workday.

I never quite understood why they picked 5h, it seems oddly arbitrary

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by mrweasel »

password54321 wrote: post #29
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

It is really about data. The endgame is not about hoping devs give them money.

What are they going to do with that data? Is it ads again?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by ronsor »

drob518 wrote: post #80
ronsor wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, it still has the 5 hour limits, which is what this thread is about and what I think what most in this thread want to avoid. Second, the offerings are subject to change at random. They advertised $60 of usage for $10/month (knowing most users wouldn't reach that). This was consistently the case up until early August, when the per-model "usage multipliers" started taking over. Some models give $15 of usag…

What does Hyper give you that OpenCode doesn’t? Is it just the removal of the 5 hour limit? I looked at Hyper’s docs but it wasn’t clear exactly how the fine points work. Is it $20 for as much as you want of any model they support? They don’t say that but they don’t say no limits anywhere that I could find. Been using OpenRouter with API prices and choosing cheap models to get work done. It works but a $20 all you ca…

Hyper gives $12.50 worth of usage every 24 hours, totaling $375 per month. It resets at the same time regardless of when you start, unlike the 5 hour limits on other providers. Yes, it's only $20/month. It's also insanely fast; I've never gotten 75+ tokens/sec on K3 from any other provider.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

ghostly_s wrote: post #71
gruez wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

Open models still need compute.

Open AI rents compute. It seems unlikely given the huge investments they have already spent that they can profitably match someone who is just selling GPU time.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by taylorfinley »

howdareme9 wrote: post #46
geraldwhen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won’t be able to. Open models exist and run on a Mac you can buy now or in October.

please point me to an open model, that matches astra even on low reasoning, and runs on a mac

No problem, but you'll need to wait a few months

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by alastair1646 »

parineum wrote: post #18
jeanmichelselli wrote: post #9

Clearly, the prices and limitations will increase with time if they don't find an efficient way to perform training and inference of LLMs. It would be great to see those issues being seriously addressed and, eventually, being fixed for good. THAT would definitely make an important and practical difference. Not only economically but also scientifically.

I always wonder where the people are who continually claim that this whole thing is already profitable are when prices are increased or services cut.

I think the people that are saying that mean that the inference is massively profitable. From what I've seen, the margins are between 50 and 90% on an API call. It's the training that's very, very expensive!

As far as I understand, for both OpenAI and Anthropic, currently the majority of their GPUs are being used for training, with only a smaller portion being used for actual customer serving.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by password54321 »

copperx wrote: post #67
password54321 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is really about data. The endgame is not about hoping devs give them money.

More data isn't helping much, if Astra is any indication.

This is just you putting your head in the sand while you gradually automate your job.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by leros »

paxys wrote: post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

The $100 plans are plenty for me to use nearly all day. I'm using between $1500-3000 worth of tokens a month via those plans.

I definitely see the pricing model. I can afford $100, maybe $200, but not $3000.

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