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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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I went another way and signed up for a opencode go subscription on the side.

Opencode Go's value is pretty poor these days. It was better a month or two ago.

Can you talk more about what changed in the last two months? I use open router for when I run out of limits, and I’ve done better than buying an additional sub for my uses. I thought about looking at a more niche player, but it’s not a priority for me yet.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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How is 5 hrs being measured and over what time period?

In all of them I've seen it's a window that starts when you haven't been using it in a while and begin work OR when your previous window expired. The window starts with a set number of tokens and cuts you off when they're used, it is fully reset at the end of the window (it's not a sliding window).

When you haven't used any tokens for an extended amount of time it reverts to the point where whenever you send your first token is when the window begins.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opencode Go's value is pretty poor these days. It was better a month or two ago.

Can you talk more about what changed in the last two months? I use open router for when I run out of limits, and I’ve done better than buying an additional sub for my uses. I thought about looking at a more niche player, but it’s not a priority for me yet.

First of all, it still has the 5 hour limits, which is what this thread is about and what I think what most in this thread want to avoid.

Second, the offerings are subject to change at random. They advertised $60 of usage for $10/month (knowing most users wouldn't reach that). This was consistently the case up until early August, when the per-model "usage multipliers" started taking over. Some models give $15 of usage per month, others $30, still others remain at $60, and apparently one at $100 now?[0] Either way, I don't want to expend the mental effort to track which model is the best deal for capability and usage.

Right now I use Hyper[1] for $20/month and give $100/month to OpenAI. Not OpenAI's biggest fan, but the value is good right now, and that's what matters.

[0] https://opencode.ai/docs/go/

[1] https://hyper.charm.land

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

As long as there is no path to profitability going from subsidized to fully paid tokens we are making them lose money.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

It is really about data. The endgame is not about hoping devs give them money.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.

This would need to be a collusion across most of the providers (which I think is likely to happen) otherwise OpenAI would get ditched for Anthropic or vice versa, depending on who raises the prices more. If it happens across the board then enterprises that can use Chinese models won’t have that many options but to pay up.
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