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I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.
But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.
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Your cheap cynicism makes OpenAI's lower prices sound like a reason to avoid using them, but that's backwards! It's a better strategy to use them now while prices are low and switch later if necessary. Nobody knows who will have the best prices later, so better to decide later.
It’s good to be aware when you’re buying something that’s subsidized. No need to downplay the importance of awareness.
It's enough to know that the market is competitive and new models with better prices are released often. This means you should have a way to switch models.
My goodness, the complaining... Just get all your devs a $200 ChatGPT Pro (20x) plan. Yes, you lose the "team" component, but you gain so much more. And what's $200 against the salary of a good developer? It's absolutely inconsequential, even in far cheaper non-US salary regimes.
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They won’t be able to. Open models exist and run on a Mac you can buy now or in October.
Sorry but this is a pretty delusional take. No, you cant run the same level or even close to that level of model on a mac, not even on a 512gb studio. You can run good models sure, but not models anywhere close to the capabilities of these ones yet, despite what idiots on Twitter keep spouting.
Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.
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This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices
It's just doomer nonsense to me. On the internet you have 4 possible outcomes. Say things are going to suck and they suck. You look brilliant. Say things are going to suck, and they don't suck. Nobody cares because it doesn't suck. Say things are going to be good, and they're good. A few attaboys for getting it right, but nobody cares. Say things are going to be good, and they suck. You look like a moron. Because of…
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It's just doomer nonsense to me. On the internet you have 4 possible outcomes. Say things are going to suck and they suck. You look brilliant. Say things are going to suck, and they don't suck. Nobody cares because it doesn't suck. Say things are going to be good, and they're good. A few attaboys for getting it right, but nobody cares. Say things are going to be good, and they suck. You look like a moron. Because of…
Pascal's AI, I see. But yes, social media algorithms and the Internet in general have made people realize doomerism is what gets the clicks and views.
But yeah, doomerism is the dominant narrative of the day here right now. There's a sort of eschatological poisoning that's happening presently. Nobody can even seem to imagine a world where things get better. It's crazy. Maybe it's because I recently went through a major illness, maybe it's because I hit my head one-to-many times along the way? But I've never been more optimistic about the future than I am now.
People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.
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I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.
There's an escape valve: I've had Claude stand-up AI-enabled features in my app, so we're much less dependent on Claude itself. The app uses cheap API calls to check code quality and run other "lessons learned" sweeps. Some of these become regular code in the end as well.
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Can you talk more about what changed in the last two months? I use open router for when I run out of limits, and I’ve done better than buying an additional sub for my uses. I thought about looking at a more niche player, but it’s not a priority for me yet.
First of all, it still has the 5 hour limits, which is what this thread is about and what I think what most in this thread want to avoid. Second, the offerings are subject to change at random. They advertised $60 of usage for $10/month (knowing most users wouldn't reach that). This was consistently the case up until early August, when the per-model "usage multipliers" started taking over. Some models give $15 of usag…