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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by madaxe_again »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #26
paxys wrote: post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Or to just give users enough usage to find categories in which it is useful for them.

I pay the $200/mo., and don’t regret it for an instant - I have a project manager, an executive assistant, a business analyst, a software developer and an international accountant, for an absolute song.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by piloto_ciego »

jamesriso wrote: post #34
CSMastermind wrote: post #27

Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

It's just doomer nonsense to me.

On the internet you have 4 possible outcomes.

Say things are going to suck and they suck. You look brilliant.

Say things are going to suck, and they don't suck. Nobody cares because it doesn't suck.

Say things are going to be good, and they're good. A few attaboys for getting it right, but nobody cares.

Say things are going to be good, and they suck. You look like a moron.

Because of negativity bias everyone is leaning towards predicting DOOOOOOOOOOM. People aren't even consciously doing this, it's just a factor of the medium, because looking like a moron hurts way more than a few attaboys.

I think in about a year, we're going to see a scad of these ASICS like chat jimmy running year old models on dedicated hardware. Imagine racks and racks full of Astra but running at 15,000 tokens a second or whatever? Imagine swarms of them running the models we have today essentially for "free." That's where we're going to be. The bottleneck will be production, tbh, not demand.

"Hey Astra-Silicon, solve the Goldbach Conjecture!" Sure, it might take a few hours and be totally un-readable to a human being, but the 6m lines of Lean or whatever will be correct. Then what? What can we start doing then?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

paxys wrote: post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I can't believe people are letting themselves be taken for a ride so shortly after seeing what happened with streaming subscriptions.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by gruez »

fny wrote: post #36
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by cj »

skybrian wrote: post #58
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Your cheap cynicism makes OpenAI's lower prices sound like a reason to avoid using them, but that's backwards! It's a better strategy to use them now while prices are low and switch later if necessary. Nobody knows who will have the best prices later, so better to decide later.

It’s good to be aware when you’re buying something that’s subsidized. No need to downplay the importance of awareness.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by redox99 »

pkulak wrote: post #55
redox99 wrote: post #52

5h limits are awful. It means it is literally unable to complete a large task. A better approach if they want to balance the load is having higher usage or lower usage consumption at different times of day.

So use the api? You’re not getting a giant discount for nothing. The 5-hour limit is great for all my personal stuff.

I use the $100 which currently doesn't have the 5h limit.

The 5h limit hurts the most on the $20 plan because the limit is already very small (5h is ~15% of your weekly).

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by copperx »

password54321 wrote: post #29
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

It is really about data. The endgame is not about hoping devs give them money.

More data isn't helping much, if Astra is any indication.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by tehjoker »

brazukadev wrote: post #28
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

As long as there is no path to profitability going from subsidized to fully paid tokens we are making them lose money.

This is not entirely true, you are costing them in the short run, but are growing your dependence on their product and feeding them training data.

Their goal is to create AGI and replace humans with something resembling the plot of Horizon Zero Dawn and its sequel but more extreme.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by [deleted] »

nicce wrote: post #57
redox99 wrote: post #52

5h limits are awful. It means it is literally unable to complete a large task. A better approach if they want to balance the load is having higher usage or lower usage consumption at different times of day.

5h limit is gone with one prompt with Sol or Astra with high or higher thinking.

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by satvikpendem »

piloto_ciego wrote: post #62
jamesriso wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

It's just doomer nonsense to me. On the internet you have 4 possible outcomes. Say things are going to suck and they suck. You look brilliant. Say things are going to suck, and they don't suck. Nobody cares because it doesn't suck. Say things are going to be good, and they're good. A few attaboys for getting it right, but nobody cares. Say things are going to be good, and they suck. You look like a moron. Because of…

Pascal's AI, I see. But yes, social media algorithms and the Internet in general have made people realize doomerism is what gets the clicks and views.
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