I think it's reasonable for the Plus plans to have this. If you're doing any serious work you should be on the Pro plan. If you're a casual user, 5 hours is more than plenty.
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#525h limits are awful. It means it is literally unable to complete a large task.
A better approach if they want to balance the load is having higher usage or lower usage consumption at different times of day.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.
I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.
There's an escape valve: I've had Claude stand-up AI-enabled features in my app, so we're much less dependent on Claude itself. The app uses cheap API calls to check code quality and run other "lessons learned" sweeps. Some of these become regular code in the end as well.
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#54OpenAI must be under a lot of pressure to make the books balanced. A bleak sign for Anthropic's IPO and the stock market.
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#555h limits are awful. It means it is literally unable to complete a large task. A better approach if they want to balance the load is having higher usage or lower usage consumption at different times of day.
So use the api? You’re not getting a giant discount for nothing. The 5-hour limit is great for all my personal stuff.
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#56Wait, what? Hasn't this been the case for more than a week? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49432879
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#575h limits are awful. It means it is literally unable to complete a large task. A better approach if they want to balance the load is having higher usage or lower usage consumption at different times of day.
5h limit is gone with one prompt with Sol or Astra with high or higher thinking.
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#58People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.
I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.
Your cheap cynicism makes OpenAI's lower prices sound like a reason to avoid using them, but that's backwards! It's a better strategy to use them now while prices are low and switch later if necessary. Nobody knows who will have the best prices later, so better to decide later.
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#59Clearly, the prices and limitations will increase with time if they don't find an efficient way to perform training and inference of LLMs. It would be great to see those issues being seriously addressed and, eventually, being fixed for good. THAT would definitely make an important and practical difference. Not only economically but also scientifically.
I always wonder where the people are who continually claim that this whole thing is already profitable are when prices are increased or services cut.
I’ve not heard anyone say that the whole thing is profitable. Companies like Anthropic have said that inference is profitable, but I assume that’s only on a steady state basis, which nobody in the industry has ever reached at this point. As far as I know, everyone is still burning cash with data center buildouts and overall training costs.
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#60My goodness, the complaining... Just get all your devs a $200 ChatGPT Pro (20x) plan. Yes, you lose the "team" component, but you gain so much more. And what's $200 against the salary of a good developer? It's absolutely inconsequential, even in far cheaper non-US salary regimes.