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Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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I'm wondering whether it is now time for regulators to pressure mobile phone companies to install longer life batteries. There is not really an incentive to prolong device life for manufacturers and when I look at recent progress on the car industry and utility battery side there is imho. potential.

Batteries always have a limited lifetime. "back in the day" we had waterproof phones with user replacable batteries, you could just buy another battery and replace it yourself. I have no idea why we can't do this now.

> I have no idea why we can't do this now.

Power density and all of the problems that are fallout from high power density. A modern LiPoly battery contains a lot of energy. It's stored in a chemical that is highly reactive with oxygen, which you happen to be surrounded by at the moment.

Watch some videos on lithium battery fires. Not only do they have extremely hot flames but they spray out molten bits of battery and can't be extinguished with water.

To make a LiPoly battery that can be safely handled by normal people it needs a strong outer casing. A sealed battery in a phone uses the phone's case itself as the battery's protective casing. A user replaceable battery would need its own strong case. The phone then needs to be larger to accommodate the extra volume or have a smaller battery which stores less power than a sealed battery of equivalent volume.

The market has rewarded thinner phones with long lifetimes but also high performance. That triple point is challenging if not impossible to hit without sealed batteries.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Enforcement can be better, but I'm gonna give grace given how recently it was imposed. It's easy to point at extreme levels of enforcement being a key part of any regulation, but I have seen the breadth of the EU's scope and what needs to be balanced. Quite often I find that nonaction against compliance violations falls into the following: - Lack of resources - Lack of real consumer impact - Awaiting legislation mean…

> but every EU member has a clear agency for consumer complaint, and I don't buy it that it is hard for consumers to report violations, The problem is the response is toothless. I reported Amazon for a violation to ICO in February 2019, received an automated email a month later asking for a swathe of information, replied to that, and 3 months later got an update that it would be assigned a Case Officer. That was the…

If the severity of punishment for violations was high enough, we would only need very few example cases, before it stops.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Does it really matter this early? What I expect from this is rather that at least a few producers get more repair friendly so I as consumer have the choice again. (Writing this on my first phone without easily changeable battery, I've tried for very long) So I as my families tech guru can give the right signals to my family and in a few years we see the actual change happen. Slowly but steadily

I think it matters especially this early, to demonstrate that the legislation is a serious matter, not to be taken lightly and ignored.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Spare battery: remove empty battery, switch battery, you are back to 100% Powerbank: mess with cables, keep phone plugged until it's charged and wait If there is a market for spare batteries, there might be a market for external battery chargers as well > swap battery in the morning instead of charging, place empty battery on charger, repeat the next day

Spare batteries are a nightmare to handle. Far too easy to bend or have something short-circuit the pads, and you have to shut down and restart your phone. However, what is needed desperately is the ability to quickly change a degraded battery.

> Spare batteries are a nightmare to handle.

New definition of nightmare just dropped: changing a battery. Or is it simply handling a battery? I can't figure out what's supposed to be the nightmare.

Maybe it's the turning off of a telephone.

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A lot of scores on the doors are often faked defeating their purpose. Helpful but not bullet proof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SO8KcfhJmc Old school methods like what McDonald's use, literally allow the customer to see in to the kitchen are very effective. Not always ideal for every type establishment but I've seen high end Indian restaurants even do it by having the POS at the back where you can see the kitche…

>Old school methods like what McDonald's use, literally allow the customer to see in to the kitchen are very effective. Guess that's why the new refits have a giant wall to stop you seeing into the kitchen.

I don't recall any where it was every easy to see into the kitchen. Yes you could see some of the fryers where they made french fries, and sort of see into the kitchen but there was a lot of food-holding bins, drink dispensers, and other equipment etc. obscuring most of it.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation.

this is the first time ive heard the europeans indicted over not wanting ai child porn, and that the US is better than Europe for trying to tackle it privacy rights, standardization of cables, and monopoly busting are also pretty good things. the real question is why americans havent pushed back against their new feudal lords to carve out the same rights they did against the old ones

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation.

this is the first time ive heard the europeans indicted over not wanting ai child porn, and that the US is better than Europe for trying to tackle it privacy rights, standardization of cables, and monopoly busting are also pretty good things. the real question is why americans havent pushed back against their new feudal lords to carve out the same rights they did against the old ones

Might as well ban computers then, no?

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle. Aside from FairPhone no one offers that

And the only part that an average user can hope to replace. I tried to replace a cracked sceen once, and ruined the phone. And I consider myself pretty handy, I do all my own car repairs, household plumbing, etc.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle. Aside from FairPhone no one offers that

> All you really need are easy to replace batteries.

They are easy _enough_ to replace already. Is it as easy as 20 years ago? Surely not. It also seems reasonable that something you're going to be realistically doing once per 3-4 years would require 1 or 2 hours.

Moreover, the regulation doesn't affect this process, apart from "no proprietary tools".

> That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle.

Millions of broken screens and back glass/plastic panels beg to differ.

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