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Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by jryle70 »

oblio wrote: post #55
WarmWash wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation.

> Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation. Europeans by and large don't care about American companies these days. They use American software products because frequently there are no alternatives. And most of the news about them are negative.

They also totally don't care bout Chinese companies, they use those products because there are really no alternatives. Apple and Samsung (reluctantly) comply. I guess we know which other companies don't?

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by WarmWash »

oblio wrote: post #62
WarmWash wrote: post #59

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>They use American software products because frequently there are no alternatives Hint hint

Hint hint to what? South Korea is a very dynamic, tech heavy country and it hasn't managed to push any software product as a market leader. The EU is bigger, but it's fractured, so functionally it's basically 2-3x South Korea in terms of "software power". And that's not enough to compete with the much larger US juggernaut. Only China has managed to hold its own by simply banning US software all together. I'm actually…

Europe had the opportunity to create a silicon valley 30 years ago. They fumbled it so badly that most euro tech talent went to the US and worked or even founded their companies there. They still have not (and likely never will) implement the general reforms needed to create fertile grounds for tech to compete with the US.

If the current EU mindset existed 150 years ago, they would have banned steam engines because they are too loud and annoying. That's the level of shortsighted immediate gratification we are dealing with.

I don't know what SK has to do with this, they are basically still close to an emerging economy. Europe had a roaring economy when SK was still mostly farming.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #42
eloisant wrote: post #40

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I don't need to be able to swap a spare battery like we did 15 years ago. However when your battery is old, and drains fast, it's really nice to be able to order a new one and easily change it by removing 4 screws. Not having to perform surgery on your phone, heating it to remove glue, etc.

Sure, but so far I've replaced my phone screen once and the battery never, I suppose both would be equally easy though. Why is heating a big issue but removing screws not? Shouldn't we mandate user-replaceable screens too? Soon you'll end up regulating all phones to be modular.

> Soon you'll end up regulating all phones to be modular.

That would be great, obviously there would be tradeoffs (not as thin, potentially less waterproof) but that seems like the right direction to go in.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by ohhhigetit »

plussed_reader wrote: post #70
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #69

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Batteries always have a limited lifetime. "back in the day" we had waterproof phones with user replacable batteries, you could just buy another battery and replace it yourself. I have no idea why we can't do this now.

Plain old, madagascar vanilla artificial obsolescence.

Ohhh Elon is from South Africa and made electric cars because he’s mad at gas cars

Ok byeeee

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by herbst »

noir_lord wrote: post #17
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produce…

Sadly that mess had a political component, any attempt to regulate US big tech results in howls from over the Atlantic. Frankly, I'd prefer it if we just let them howl and said fuck it more but it's probably a good job I'm not making those decisions (and in honesty the picture is complex for companies that size/the politics).

There seems to be a very common idea why the EU is failing dramatically with these ideas that I didnt seem to understand. Knowing it has a US political context suddenly makes everything a little less weird.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by gmueckl »

GJim wrote: post #67
gmueckl wrote: post #61

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Well, wait until you are at the receiving end. It can get nasty pretty quickly. What does each one of your systems store exactly? Do they allow configuration of reasonable data retention policies for PII? What do your systems log? How do you make sure that only the minimum amount of PII (including user IP addresses) is logged and that the covered logs are destroyed at the end of a reasonable retention period? How do…

> Nobody who wants to bootstrap a business wants to deal with any of this. It's an enormous time sink I doubt anybody wants to deal with fire safety inspections either. Though I'm quite sure you will change your mind when your personal data gets hacked or your office burns down.

Some of my personal data has leaked. Some of it has to be public because of some laws.

Fire safety is less onerous and less complex.

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Post by gustavus »

delusional wrote: post #41
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produce…

Yes, Twitter frontpage should include a little counter with how much child exploitation it has facilitated today. I don't think there's a single politician in Bruxelles that wouldn't love to come down hard on X. There is no love for Elon in those circles anymore. The problem is that he's attached himself to international politics through his daddy. Trump has threatened the EU with strict sanctions if they levy any so…

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by [deleted] »

internet2000 wrote: post #46
eloisant wrote: post #40

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I don't need to be able to swap a spare battery like we did 15 years ago. However when your battery is old, and drains fast, it's really nice to be able to order a new one and easily change it by removing 4 screws. Not having to perform surgery on your phone, heating it to remove glue, etc.

I wouldn't want to design the phone around an event that happens every 3 years at minimum.

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by herbst »

mschuster91 wrote: post #48
library8848 wrote: post #47

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Spare battery: remove empty battery, switch battery, you are back to 100% Powerbank: mess with cables, keep phone plugged until it's charged and wait If there is a market for spare batteries, there might be a market for external battery chargers as well > swap battery in the morning instead of charging, place empty battery on charger, repeat the next day

Spare batteries are a nightmare to handle. Far too easy to bend or have something short-circuit the pads, and you have to shut down and restart your phone. However, what is needed desperately is the ability to quickly change a degraded battery.

Ever had a GoPro? Or professional camera? Drone? It's really not so hard to imagine a market for replaceable batteries lol.

My ThinkPad t420 had a small built in battery so I could switch batteries without shutdown. Imagine the magic. Imagine taking 20+ hours of laptop battery with you 15 years ago.

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