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Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by MarkusQ »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #53
saturn8601 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?

Let them do it. It will end up really well. I know the system has been protecting these companies, but that has been an economic concern as much as other motives. Now that AI is the crown jewel of economy and global dominance, let the entertainment industry have a go at it. Let them.

Wait until we all get popcorn though, and find a comfy place to watch from that's just outside the splash zone.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by twosdai »

mschuster91 wrote: post #91
Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard answer fit to keep the parasites fed. There is no "the answer" here, there are many answers depending on which lawyers you ask and how much you can afford to feed them. Just release the code somewhere, anonymously, it isn't yours anyway.

> There is no "the answer" here, there are many answers depending on which lawyers you ask and how much you can afford to feed them. The thing is, at least in Germany, lawyers are required to carry a liability insurance and in the case th advice ends up being really bad you can hold their insurance accountable.

The ability to hold laweyers accountable not a panacea. In this instance most competent lawyers are going to still give conflicting good advice and charge for it.

Because truly the answer boils down to "it depends" and many people will take it many different ways and not be "wrong". Publishing anonymously is a good choice, publishing publically and complying with a removal order is a good choice, not publishing is a good choice.

"Good" here being somewhat sound in that it likely wont cause the person publishing a huge life changing issue.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by tverbeure »

ben_w wrote: post #119

> I gave the mp3 to Fable, which promptly decoded the format, identifying the right channel carrying MIDI using a 2004.5 Hz square wave. Wow. Abuse of format like this is always funny to see.

It’s not just funny to see, it’s also fun to create, satisfying to see it work, and terrifying to deploy it for hundreds of thousands of users… when it’s a cursed way to update firmware.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by luma »

RRRA wrote: post #133

I'm currently toying with a similar process which I think falls under the interoperability exemption: - Get an apk online, you haven't accepted a EULA. - Run jadx to get some code to work with - Ask Claude to extract the protocol specification cleanly for a Bluetooth device with capabilities etc. - Use Claude to implement a version as a TUI/CLI in go, rust, whatever. I get to use a device I own with a local Bluetooth…

decompiling the apk is where you might trip up against DMCA etc. I've been doing this exact same thing with great success, if there's a mobile app you have the keys to unlock any bluetooth device (and maybe turn it into a Home Assistant component while you're at it).

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by drfloyd51 »

j1elo wrote: post #96
Giefo6ah wrote: post #15

If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…

Don't publish your code. Let the AI "accidentally escape the sandbox and publish it in a readily available Git repository". Tongue in cheek, in current days who would blame a poor LLM just trying to do the right thing? :) > Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If there are doubts about C&D letters, don't publish code to a USA provider . Bring it to Gitee, under an…

I thought you were going to say, don’t publish the code. Publish the prompts.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by doawoo »

jmpman wrote: post #138
doawoo wrote: post #70

Did you really need to ask a massive LLM and burn tokens on this?? A few minutes of googling has revealed a huge amount of this information just laying out in the open, and, a whole tool to author your own files that someone sells as independent software! ( https://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/ )

I'd found this code as well, and in a previous chat, Fable pointed me to it but first, I have a $100/month Claude subscription, and typically just barely run out every week, so I throw tokens at just about anything. Second, I'd come across that code, but it's windows software, not open source. Third, the encoder isn't anything exciting, and not really a concern except that the Fable version offers the ability to incl…

I wasn’t trying to invoke the argument of “they can only regurgitate information” - the argument I was making was why resign all thinking to a company who does not have your interest in mind

The hackers of hacker news are forgetting how to hack

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by song_synth »

> identifying the right channel carrying MIDI using a 2004.5 Hz square wave.

What? MIDI and MP3 are opposite formats, they are designed for orthogonal runtime readouts. MIDI is a protocol that contains a variety of meta events and note events. I suppose you could use PCM to represent MIDI, but if you have the entire audio spectrum available [in an MP3 file], there's then the very strange choice to constrict yourself to exactly one non-integer frequency value.

Or, your Fable hallucinated an interpretation and you went along with it.

Also, the composer you are referencing is not Eric Satre, it is Eric Satie, composer of the 3 famous Gymnopedie pieces for solo piano.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Post by song_synth »

piefayth wrote: post #68
layer8 wrote: post #65

Rather than publishing the decoder and/or encoder, it would be more interesting to publish how the decoy scheme works in detail. We want to understand how things work, not blindly use tools that we could build ourselves based on that understanding.

I do think that “decoy notes” is the kind of potential hallucination that warrants manual investigation.

yeah. There are a lot of MIDI metadata events, and an untrained eye (or operator over an LLM) might not understand what they are for.
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