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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by quickthrowman »

linuxhansl wrote: post #205
andlarry wrote: post #27

Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Never heard of A/I and I have no idea what they are about, but rather than a government communication this statement reads like an angry rant with lots of unhelpful name-calling. I would expect a government to be professional and just stick to the (proven) facts and avoiding labels; that would also be more convincing. Oh well.

The entire current US Administration has adopted the grievance rhetoric of its chief executive because the alternative is expulsion.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by nmeagent »

grosswait wrote: post #619
nmeagent wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you weren't paying attention. Watch the videos of the mob inside the building. If they hadn't been led away from the senate chambers by capitol police [1], we'd be having a very different conversation right now. Did you think the American History X extras leading the pack were just there to see the sights? Come on, man. [1] https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/absolute-hero-capitol-...

What conversation do you think we would be having? Would we be debating the laws that January 6 attendees are passing in the chambers? What alternate outcome do you think was likely, or even possible?

Perform your own trivial extrapolation and cut out the sealioning nonsense.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by micromacrofoot »

TMWNN wrote: post #513
micromacrofoot wrote: post #495

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bro if 2k people broke into work looking for you, it would probably be something you think about a whole lot

> ~~2k~~ 250 unarmed people ~~broke into work~~ mysteriously allowed in are looking for you, while dozens of trained armed police officers surround you , it would probably be something you think about a whole lot FTFY

alright but the point still stands? people were yelling out names carrying zipties... they broke windows hit police officers and a woman was killed while crawling through a broken window?

if that happened to me at work it would be something I talked about all the time, there are a thousand ways it could have gotten even worse

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by einpoklum »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #602
pessimizer wrote: post #401

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I love how Europeans get pumped up on anti-American rhetoric when they are far more submissive to the US than even a Ukraine or a South Korea is. I'm starting to think the rhetoric (always about what they're about to do, something about Trump, something about Musk) is being pumped to them by US admin think tanks. The US is going to be at peace with Russia, and still pumping anti-Russian rhetoric into Europe to keep t…

I think what you're missing is that for many Western European countries, like Germany, suddenly gaining a direct border with Russia is a genuine concern. It's not just rhetoric; it's the real world. It's easy for Americans, who are essentially uninvadable, to discount this as just people saying stuff, but in Europe, we actually have to live with Russia's direct military threat.

> gaining a direct border with Russia

If you mean EU borders - it's had direct border with Russia since 1995.

If you mean in the sense of placing NATO troups on border with Russia, that is indeed recent, and definitely a concern, but - those west-European countries have gone along with expanding NATO eastwards.

If you mean the supposed fear of Russia conquering Poland - then that is not really serious.

> we actually have to live with Russia's direct military threat.

So far in this war, it is German and other European & NATO member state weapons being intentionally fired into Russia, not the other way around.

Of course, if you look further back, Russia has invaded westwards multiple times over the centuries, and European powers have indaded Russia multiple times: Sweden, France, Germany. But mutual perception as threats is something almost any pair of European states can be said to have in their past. And the distances are even closer than Russia and Germany.

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Post by dudefeliciano »

"In this political climate, continuing to offer our services endangers our users and anyone who is part of our communities"

This is true in Italy, the United States, Russia, China, and with yesterday's victory of AfD in Sachsen-Anhalt I see the trajectory of it becoming true in Germany too very soon.

And a lot of the comments in this so-called community of so-called hackers are very disheartening, have any of you even read the Hackers Manifesto? Are you just going to shut your eyes in front of the evidence, as long as your pockets and bellies are full?

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by ModernMech »

xienze wrote: post #384
Barrin92 wrote: post #326

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Jan 6, didn't work, not entirely sure why you bring this up as a blueprint for anyone. It was an actual LARP and as Bruno Macaes wrote resembled a bunch of people making it to the end of a videogame, then running around confused in costumes and going for a drink. What did work for them was pouring money into the election system and party apparatus, media, the courts and then taking control over politics

> Jan 6, didn't work, not entirely sure why you bring this up as a blueprint for anyone. Might want to let the Democrats know that. According to them the government was >this< close to being overthrown. Which is funny, because if anyone truly believes that, we don't stand a chance against pretty much any country on earth.

The only people capable of overthrowing the government like that are white conservatives. Anyone else would have been gunned down on the approach.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by parineum »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #601
parineum wrote: post #499

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So what percent of people are required for "consensus" because it seems like 50%+1 to 100%. There seems to also be an implication that democracy is 50+1 when it isn't. It can require any percentage to reach a decision. Those two words refer to the same "type" of system where the members make a decision by ascent or descent. Both systems require an agreed upon barrier of acceptance. They are the same. The US congress…

Consensus is strictly 100% agreement (or at least 0% disagreement). Granted, it's not always possible. But in some setups and given some objectives, it's sometimes possible to have a collective that finds compromises that satisfy everyone (consensus).

> Consensus is not synonymous with unanimity – though that may be a rule agreed to in a specific decision-making process.[1]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by dudefeliciano »

Dansvidania wrote: post #180

I have no way to verify whether the collective really helped the violent acts that are cited in the designation[1] but, as an Italian, given the dialectic and rhetoric in their statements and in their websites, it would not surprise me if this once they - the US government - were not wrong. "A broken clock marks the right time twice a day" and all that. I have experienced this kind of language personally back when th…

> as an Italian, given the dialectic and rhetoric in their statements

As if that holds any value, especially considering the rest of your comment, which completely ignores the rhetoric of that "designation".

That designation is toilet paper - the wording "violent Antifa cells" in the second sentence should be the wake up signal.

> they have root in the no-global movement, a protest group

There was/is no protest group called the no-global movement - you are using language the same way Trump & co. use the word antifa. And using language like Trump & co. is not a good look.

> that contributed to the violence at the Genova G8.

That was the black-bloc, maybe a few hundred or thousand actors within a protest of up to 300k people. I am leaving out the many controversies regarding the infiltrators in the black bloc and the manufactured "evidence" like planted molotov cocktails in the Diaz school.

And we all know who else contributed to the violence, but you conveniently left that out. Carlo Giuliani was killed by police. Same police that raided a school and charged peaceful protesters.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by chanakya »

pjerem wrote: post #569
chanakya wrote: post #327

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If everyone is so comfortable, what do we need a revolution for? Wasn't that the goal of civilization? If someone doesn't like civilization, why try to bring it down? There's plenty of places on earth you can go to live without it.

It sounds like you don’t know what it means to have your ancestors fighting to death for freedom and rights, being enslaved in work camps… The fight is to never get to this situation again and to keep the rights people died for you to have. You act like things are binary “comfort” vs “horrible life”. It’s not like Fascism grows slowly and then suddenly you are locked.

I agree we should all be fighting to keep what we have, which is pretty good. But that sounds like the opposite of a revolution to me.
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