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GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by throawayonthe »

grapheneos wrote: post #175
goda90 wrote: post #12

I believe this is the planned gallery app. I've already been using it: https://github.com/IacobIonut01/ReFra

Our plan is to fork ReFra and drastically change it. We have a different scope and requirements for it. ReFra will still be useful for people who want features we don't plan to provide. We've considered trying to do it as an ongoing fork and making upstream contributions which we started on but it likely isn't practical. We haven't fully decided on this.

keeping the OCR and CLIP right? the main thing i miss from ios is the great local ocr + image tagging and search in the photos app

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by Gander5739 »

yellowapple wrote: post #198
matheusmoreira wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not Unexpected Keyboard?

As someone who uses and loves Unexpected Keyboard: the higher learning curve compared to other keyboards would be the main reason I can think of. The reliance on swipes in particular is something that's likely alien to a lot of smartphone users.

On the other hand, I use Thumb Key (https://github.com/dessalines/thumb-key) and think Unexpected Keyboard doesn't go far enough.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by wolvoleo »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #120
wolvoleo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In LTE and 5G there exists no cellular signal without data. That was a 2G/3G thing. Since 4G everything is data. The separate sms and voice services are gone. And 3G is rapidly being deprecated.

That's not quite true. VoLTE was an optional part of 4G in the beginning. I had one of the gaming ASUS phones that shipped with 4G, but no VoLTE. 6 months after getting it, the US phone carriers conspired to make VoLTE mandatory for connecting to their towers, effectively bricking my device. ASUS never issued the firmware update that would have enabled the feature in the modem, which had the capability, and the commu…

It was an optional part but without VoLTE you just could not call with 4G. For that the phone just switched back to 2G/3G.

That's not a sustainable solution because 2G/3G are getting switched off. And it doesn't really have any bearing on LTe itself.

The real issue is that they didn't really standardise VoLTE enough. Leaving every carrier and manufacturer to have a mesh of different options and not every carrier and every phone supports the exact same subset of options, which causes the compatibility issue. Also sometimes providers don't bother checking phones they don't sell.

They really should have standardised it 100% so this couldn't happen.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by b112 »

hellcow wrote: post #204
broodbucket wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Gboard with the network permission disabled. It works well but I hope they have a better stock keyboard, I haven't found any others that don't annoy me in one way or another.

Google can shuttle network requests to any of their other apps (or play services, if that's running) via IPC, even with the network permission disabled in Gboard. So if you're using Graphene for privacy from Google specifically, it's not safe to install things like Gboard even with the network permission disabled. Even if they don't use IPC in this way today, there's no telling what the Google-of-tomorrow will do.

there's no telling what the Google-of-tomorrow will do.

This is true and even vastly understated. Google is like the Walter White of companies. Starts out innocent, turned into a monster, everyone around him astonished at the dark, depraved change.

So if one thinks "nah, Google wouldn't do that", I have a bridge to sell you...

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by wolvoleo »

snazz wrote: post #154
wolvoleo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In LTE and 5G there exists no cellular signal without data. That was a 2G/3G thing. Since 4G everything is data. The separate sms and voice services are gone. And 3G is rapidly being deprecated.

It's true that it's all packet-switched rather than circuit-switched, but IMS traffic is still handled differently than regular data traffic. (The most user-visible implication of this is the QCI difference: cellular phone calls are much more reliable at poor signal strength and high congestion than over-the-top VoIP calls).

Isn't that just basic QoS?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by wolvoleo »

epihelix wrote: post #184
wolvoleo wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could for a while but what's the point if it's not sustainable? Google is not going to turn around and make it more open again. With every Android release you will build up more feature base to replicate. Unless you cut all ties and drive a separate ecosystem but good luck getting enough developers to buy into that.

Well, someone is clearly giving Graphene money, and quite a lot of it, as per TFA: > We recently hired a bunch of new people and will be hiring more so our progress will be accelerating.

Oh yeah I didn't catch that, that's interesting. I wonder where the money is coming from.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by ravenstine »

mrob wrote: post #60
Groxx wrote: post #51

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The source is here: https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime Featured prominently in the "Source Code" container on https://keyboard.futo.tech/ AFAIK everything FUTO makes is open source? I haven't seen a counter-example (I have not looked hard though!), and https://futo.tech/about claims the following: > All FUTO-funded projects are expected to be open source or develop a plan to eventually become so. No effort wil…

From the LICENSE file: https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE... >You may modify the software only for non-commercial purposes such as personal use for research, experiment, and testing for the benefit of public knowledge, personal study, private entertainment, hobby projects, amateur pursuits, or religious observance, all without any anticipated commercial application. Violates clause 3 (Derive…

Thanks for sharing this! I spoke out of ignorance, having only considered the source code being available but not the licensing. (though I find narrowly defining "open source" to be rather pointless) I haven't tried every open-source Android keyboard, I've been very happy with FUTO Keyboard. Kinda too bad it's not compatible with being shipped with GrapheneOS, but it's also understandable why they'd license it this way.
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