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Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by mrweasel »

pyrale wrote: post #60

Their press release seems to center on: > Europe now has sovereign access to space. [...] Customers around the world now have a sovereign launch option at their disposal. They apparently try very hard to ignore Arianespace.

The media has been struggling on how to word this. Danish media tried labeling it as "the first orbital launch from Europe. Which is wrong, because the Plesetsk Cosmodrome exists. It's also not the first orbital launch from the EU, because Norway isn't in the EU. Using "from western Europe" sound like your trying to hard to make it special.

"First commercial space company to successfully deliver satellites into orbit, from the European continent" is probably the most correct title while remaining fairly interesting.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by usrusr »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #106
ahartmetz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The east has never been economically very strong, it used to be huge feudal-style farms and a bit of high-tech industry (planes, optics, trains, electronics in the 1930s). Not too different from now. Then there was the GDR which made things much worse. It's not really West Germany that caused the weak economy of the East Germany. The handling of reunification did suck, but you can't just will a strong industrial base…

I would say they never got the stability to build a strong economic foundation. During Prussian times the port cities like Danzig and Köngisberg flourished and attracted the capital of eastern Prussia and after the WWII, they had to deal with the oppression from the soviets. The Soviets took whatever they can from the Eastern Germany and they just had to build everything from the scratch, unlike the west that got hel…

> there hasn’t been any significant investment in Eastern part to build an industrial base (except for in Berlin and its suburbs)

Dresden is not a Berlin suburb. When it comes to investment in semiconductor industry, Dresden has likely seen more than the entire rest of Germany together.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by sajithdilshan »

usrusr wrote: post #152
sajithdilshan wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say they never got the stability to build a strong economic foundation. During Prussian times the port cities like Danzig and Köngisberg flourished and attracted the capital of eastern Prussia and after the WWII, they had to deal with the oppression from the soviets. The Soviets took whatever they can from the Eastern Germany and they just had to build everything from the scratch, unlike the west that got hel…

> there hasn’t been any significant investment in Eastern part to build an industrial base (except for in Berlin and its suburbs) Dresden is not a Berlin suburb. When it comes to investment in semiconductor industry, Dresden has likely seen more than the entire rest of Germany together.

I remember the previous Green government giving tax relief for Intel to build a factory in Dresden, but I don’t think it worked out.

Also Dresden is only one city and what about the rest of the former East German states?

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by NetMageSCW »

nolok wrote: post #4

Congratulation and great news ! For Europe, but also the world, space access is one of those frontiers we can (and I believe will) see truly opened in my lifetime and I find that truly awesome. Interestingly there still seems to be a difference in approach between "few launch, expected to go well" in europe and "many launch as trial and error" in the US, with other countries falling somewhere in between those two lim…

SpaceX has hadn’t any subsidies in a long time and has had less in subsidies than Ariane or Isra, so what are you criticizing?

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

mrweasel wrote: post #151
pyrale wrote: post #60

Their press release seems to center on: > Europe now has sovereign access to space. [...] Customers around the world now have a sovereign launch option at their disposal. They apparently try very hard to ignore Arianespace.

The media has been struggling on how to word this. Danish media tried labeling it as "the first orbital launch from Europe. Which is wrong, because the Plesetsk Cosmodrome exists. It's also not the first orbital launch from the EU, because Norway isn't in the EU. Using "from western Europe" sound like your trying to hard to make it special. "First commercial space company to successfully deliver satellites into orbit…

Geographic Qualifiers https://m.xkcd.com/2901/

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by NetMageSCW »

ahartmetz wrote: post #95
sajithdilshan wrote: post #63

Congrats to Isar Aerospace. If any nation in Europe that can start a new space frontier, that would be the Germans and I hope Isar would get strong support from the Bavarian state to be a neck-on-neck competitor to SpaceX.

>If any nation in Europe that can start a new space frontier, that would be the Germans If that is true, then only because the company doesn't immediately have to fight Arianespace. It is France that has the strongest existing know-how and longest history in rockets, going further back than Arianespace. The gap between WW2 rocket development and now is so long that German history with rockets may as well not exist.

As seen in the US and by Ariane’s moves in the last few decades, that history is more of a millstone around their neck than an advantage.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by freeopinion »

noir_lord wrote: post #126
TitaRusell wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European and US weapons industry is heavily intertwined because of the cold war. In hindsight the whole world should have planned for the "what if America goes Nazi" eventuality.

It's going to take time to unwind that and it's going to be a slow process (unless they do something so utterly stupid they make it a fast process).

I think Canada might recognize that it needs to be a much faster process than anyone expected. Europe is getting some pretty strong signals and should be accelerating the process. Ukraine is obviously already in a full war footing to accelerate as fast as they can. They are pulling Europe along simply because the U.S. has abandoned them and walked away from almost every promise they ever made.

How utterly stupid any individual action is will be a matter of discussion for decades. But the pace has moved towards urgent for at least half a dozen prominent countries.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by NetMageSCW »

tsimionescu wrote: post #110
gagan2020 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's open question for humanity. I respect both sides of it but I am little more pro to residences in other planets as we are on tech breakthrough on limitation of Earth. Now, surviving means occupying other planets. However, these are just my thoughts you can have different.

We still have a good few thousand years until we make the Earth anywhere close to as inhospitable as the second best planet in the Solar System - and probably much more than that before we run out of space on Earth. It makes far more sense to colonize the Arctic, the Gobi desert, the peaks of the tallest mountains, and similar places here on Earth before even contemplating the colonization of Mars. Let's first have a…

The issue there is we aren’t the only force for possible extinction on Earth.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by NetMageSCW »

psadri wrote: post #117

For anyone interested in private space flight: Wild Wild Space documentary. Also a commentary about startups in general. Separately, I've been wondering how uneven human progress is. I think we have come a long way in electronics (relays to vacuum tubes to transistor to … to an M5 chip) but in some other domains, like moving objects through space, we are basically mostly reliant on thrust generated by burning fuel (E…

Ion thrusters say “hi!”
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