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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by biorach »

izacus wrote: post #58
Aurornis wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when they can just share a pdf. I assume your question was in good faith, but the information needed to support an entire platform like this is not as simple as sharing a PDF. I’ve spent parts of my career working on much simpler platforms than an entire Apple laptop where we would have to work through 10,000 page PDFs documenting registers and even that was not enough to get the full picture of the system. You hav…

> I don’t think many people realize how easily Apple could have locked down the laptop to be able to not run any alternate OS at all and the number of lost sales would be so negligibly small as to not matter. They chose to leave it open. Oh please - Apple provided a full suite of Bootcamp drivers for their hardware just a couple of years ago, not locking you out is not a big heroic move you're trying to picture here.

> not locking you out is not a big heroic move you're trying to picture here.

The person you're replying to didn't say that. Please don't misrepresent and please keep it respectful

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by VCFundedGenYer »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #26
whatever1 wrote: post #5

Why Apple does not at least provide the specs to the community? So much wasted effort when they can just share a pdf.

Apple's hypervisor.framework lets other OS instances run very very fast with the UTM app (open source on github, but i use the prebuilt version from the App Store). In my case i've used arm native linuxes (arch with various compositors, kde, gnome, fedora) all on M2, M2 Max, M5 and the experience is indistinguishable from native. MacOS is running too. I think hardcore graphics folks might want direct accelerator acce…

I don't think you understand what Asahi Linux is.

This isn't about running VMs.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by VCFundedGenYer »

ajross wrote: post #18
IshKebab wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect they don't actually care whether or not people run Linux on macs. I mean they used to let you run Windows! Probably the real reason is just that it's extra work - both in terms of producing the docs, and in dealing with complaints when they change things. From their point of view it's extra work with no benefit to them.

> they used to let you run Windows! They let you run Windows when they were losing in the market and needed a path to migration for users of the winning platform. Once they started winning, they stopped. Conversely, Microsoft refused to interoperate with Linux. Until Linux became the clear winner in the datacenter space. Now they have WSL and actually work pretty well as a cross-platform development environment.

Microsoft is being all kumbaya right now for those exact same reasons - they are hemorrhaging users to Linux and macOS. WSL only exists because of this.

In the 90s and 2000s, they considered Linux a cancer, and only kept macOS alive for antitrust reasons.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by SoftTalker »

amazingamazing wrote: post #20
whatever1 wrote: post #5

Why Apple does not at least provide the specs to the community? So much wasted effort when they can just share a pdf.

Why would they?

When Intel-based Macs debuted they touted their support for dual-booting Windows (Bootcamp).

Apple makes money selling hardware.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by bel8 »

biorach wrote: post #61
izacus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think many people realize how easily Apple could have locked down the laptop to be able to not run any alternate OS at all and the number of lost sales would be so negligibly small as to not matter. They chose to leave it open. Oh please - Apple provided a full suite of Bootcamp drivers for their hardware just a couple of years ago, not locking you out is not a big heroic move you're trying to picture here.

> not locking you out is not a big heroic move you're trying to picture here. The person you're replying to didn't say that. Please don't misrepresent and please keep it respectful

Regardless, saying it would be too much effort for Apple is laughable at best. Even more so when Apple used to release such docs in the past when it was much less financially capable.

They just don't care.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by nsonha »

MomsAVoxell wrote: post #38
smashed wrote: post #28

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What is the purpose here? You are still stuck with a full blown MacOS running the system no? That is what Asahi tries to replace, not the other way around.

The purpose is to be able to run a decent Linux setup while also having MacOS for things. Not everyone is stuck on the anti-Apple train; some of us put software on all the platforms and thus using the hypervisor for this use case is quite comfortable. Disclaimer: personal experience - I too use UTM for highly productive things..

Wanting to run a single OS at a time is anti Apple now? Run MacOS or run Linux, why run both and create more problems than it solves and waste resources?

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

#69

Post by MomsAVoxell »

nsonha wrote: post #68
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose is to be able to run a decent Linux setup while also having MacOS for things. Not everyone is stuck on the anti-Apple train; some of us put software on all the platforms and thus using the hypervisor for this use case is quite comfortable. Disclaimer: personal experience - I too use UTM for highly productive things..

Wanting to run a single OS at a time is anti Apple now? Run MacOS or run Linux, why run both and create more problems than it solves and waste resources?

Run both when you need to build for both. Why not run both when you need to?

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by [deleted] »

bigyabai wrote: post #56
Krish1577 wrote: post #2

Reverse-engineering Apple's custom silicon is basically the modern equivalent of repairing a spaceship while it's actively launching. Incredible work by the Asahi team!

Makes you wonder who's choice it was to launch a half-finished rocket. AMD and Intel's rockets sit on the launch pad with GPU/CPU drivers shipped for Linux before T-10.

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