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Corporate America is getting hooked on open-source AI

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robrorcroptrer wrote: post #279
autoexec wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have never heard of a cloud service of ISP actively taking corporate data and shoving it into other users inbox. You'd never hear about if it the cloud service was taking your corporate data and using it for countless other things though. Insider trading, selling leads to your competitors, pushing ads to your clients/customers with offers of their own products, using trends in what your company and others are doi…

The burden of proof is on you. I doubt they want to risk their reputation, trust and agreements to make money in the ways you describe.

Corporations are amoral psychopaths that don't care about anything except getting more money and power. We have countless examples of them lying, violating the law, and even murdering large numbers of people (including babies) to get it. What makes you think a corporation would ever choose their "reputation, trust and agreements" over money and power?

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Post by iainctduncan »

MrDresden wrote: post #218
iainctduncan wrote: post #55

The thing is, for big companies (or even small ones owned by PE, which is MOST of them), it's not just about cost. The big thing is risk . In my experience as a tech diligence assessor for PE firms for the last 7 years, investors really, really don't like companies being beholded to single entities that they don't control. Anthropic and OpenAI have demonstrated that they are not trustworthy, or predicatable, or finan…

How does this compare to being beholden to a single cloud providers like AWS or Google Cloud? Has there been a sea change in how investors view these things in general, or is it only AI?

Our clients do indeed see multi-cloud as a nice-to-have, but it costs so much more to do, and the big clouds are so trusted, that it's rare that I see it.

On the other hand, nobody trusts the big AI companies not to pull shenanigans or dramatically raise prices... or even be in business in five years.

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Post by nozzlegear »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #251
chasd00 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it holds all the water, to this very day using open source in my client's projects requires approval from legal.

And does legal ever give approval?

I fear we may never know the answer.

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Post by jjfoooo4 »

dboreham wrote: post #172
chasd00 wrote: post #29

I'm not seeing it. Corporate America needs someone they can sue if anything goes sideways with AI given the rate of change and legal ambiguities. It took years/decades for actual, real, open source to be widely adopted in corporations for the same reasons.

Not seeing it either. I do see a torrent of astroturf saying everyone is using self hosted LLMs, but in reality nobody I know is.

What monied interest is trying to gin up enthusiasm for open source models?

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Post by spopejoy »

syntaxing wrote: post #22

I swear, Qwen 3.8 27B @ Q8 is smarter than Sonnet 5 most of the time. Why wouldn’t corporate America self host at this point, especially with better options like Deepseek Flash and GLM 5.3 flash that’s a middle ground between Sonnet and Opus

I mean, why self-host? Deepseek v4 flash is dirt-cheap on openrouter. Inference is a race to the bottom at this point.

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Post by spopejoy »

slowin wrote: post #3

I'd love to! For real coding though, SOTA models barely get the job done. It wasn't until Opus 4.5 that you could really get decent results. I'm sure this will change (and I can't wait for it!) but as of today, open models might be fine for summarizing and writing docs, but you need SOTA to work on code if you want to be competitive.

I'm having no difficulty getting deepseek v4 to blast out good code. I guess devs want to outsource all of their thinking now? Yes open models maybe can't design the whole thing soup to nuts but why is that necessary?

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Post by siruncledrew »

cmiles8 wrote: post #26

Every larger company I talk to these days has an active project on moving away from OpenAI and Anthropic to open models. And they’re actively shifting, as the article says, so the threat is far from theoretical. Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble. Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any ho…

If anything, I’m worried they’ll both increase prices after they IPO and are pressured by investors.

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Post by fluidcruft »

autoexec wrote: post #245
sedansesame wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is non-negotiable for corporate. Even without considering costs or country of origin, we've seen from OpenAI that claims of AI safety are worth less than the (virtual) paper they're printed on. All it takes is one incident, and all your company's internal data will start showing up in public users' chats. You can rely on a contract to prevent this, or you can guarantee it by using a locally hosted model you f…

> Privacy is non-negotiable for corporate. Corporate doesn't care at all about privacy. It's why the run outlook and windows and let Microsoft scoop up all of their company secrets. It's why they hand every scrap of data they have on their customers to salesforce and surrender their data to Atlassian and use Confluence and JIRA over countless alternatives. All companies care about is that when data breaches happen pu…

Some industries are forced to care about privacy. HIPAA does have some holes, but IT are extremely cautious. What that ultimately means is a contract that shifts liability to the vendor. And from what I understand legal is in danger of getting to a similar place because courts are ruling things shared with remote AI are not inherently protected by privilege (meaning they are discoverable).

And with things like Fable mandating data retention at Anthropic it makes things business records which US Federal Administrations have a history of obtaining without warrants and under mandatory gag orders like national security letters. They generally won't issue those directly to law firms (because they can and will fight), but IT companies generally comply quietly and have government contracts to think about.

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Post by spopejoy »

unrented7977 wrote: post #284

The financials are incredible. If you spend one engineer's salary on hardware, you get a system running local AI that can multiply the efforts of an entire (small) team of engineers. It's a very "you can't afford not to" situation. Even considering the hardware prices today.

I'm puzzled why so many comments here are about local AI? Article is clearly about open models on openrouter etc.

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Post by spopejoy »

iainctduncan wrote: post #302
MrDresden wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this compare to being beholden to a single cloud providers like AWS or Google Cloud? Has there been a sea change in how investors view these things in general, or is it only AI?

Our clients do indeed see multi-cloud as a nice-to-have, but it costs so much more to do, and the big clouds are so trusted, that it's rare that I see it. On the other hand, nobody trusts the big AI companies not to pull shenanigans or dramatically raise prices... or even be in business in five years.

I think openrouter is well on its way to being "big cloud". OpenAI/Anthropic not so much, at least as long as they bet the farm on incremental quality advances.
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