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Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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This is great, I just saw your post on X. I'm also building a bike computer! eInk is the right display tech. I think this will do really well. It might need a UV filter. That said, I don't love needing a separate device (hence, I don't own any bike computer). This is just my preference, but I really prefer to just plop my phone on my handlebars. So I'm building a bike computer app for iPhone: https://x.com/mholt6/sta…

My phone is the root of trust of my life. I would never put on in my handlebars where it can be easily snatched while unlocked, or broken.

Do you hold it in your hand in public? Far more risk of it being easily snatched while unlocked.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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Why eInk? The display updates often, that's a perfect choice for Sharp MIP displays. Also: Please use a fixed-width font for numbers. Seeing the values wobble around looks like a generic website, not like a serious product.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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If you mean that you push a 18650 inside the steerer tube and have the display at the cap level - how do you preload the headset then? You need to pull the steerer up somehow and it's done via that cap and a bolt that goes through it into a compression plug/star nut inside the steerer. If you place something under the cap it needs to fit between that bolt and the inside of the steerer tube, which 18650 can't.

After you clamped the stem, the preload job of the cap is done and it can be replaced.

Mm. Yes, but I wouldn't trust that.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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Maybe you live in a place where the sun doesn't shine that strongly? Because otherwise you could do a real life test and know that I'm right in 5 seconds. I read books on my Kindle outdoors in the blazing sun, and so do most of the millions of people who have Kindles or similar devices. Contrast is excellent. In the same conditions an LCD phone is just a black mirror which you can hardly make out any kind of informat…

I live in Texas. I think you are just confused about meaning of the word "contrast" because you keep using in a way that makes no sense for contrast but makes some sense for brightness. Contrast in this context is the ratio of luminosity between brightest and darkest areas of a display. For a non-emissive display such as e-ink or LCD in a bike computer the ambient light level makes zero difference: the white pigment…

> Contrast in this context is the ratio of luminosity between brightest and darkest areas of a display.

That is the internal contrast of a screen or printed material. I agree, and that type of contrast is important if the screen emits its own light.

However, for outdoors use the only contrast that matters is relation to the real world, aka physical reality. And brightness of course becomes the main factor.

Also, thanks for pointing out you are talking exclusively about transflective/reflective LCD. It seemed to me for a while you were talking about any type of LCD. But even so, eInk and paper has better contrast in real life outdoors use, because we have to measure contrast in the human eye and not within the device.

The human eye adopts to the brightness in the environment and makes a contrast "scale" according to this. The nearer your screen's black color is to the black of the human eye's black in that situation, the better. And the nearer your screen's white color is to the human eye's white, the better.

If either your black or your white is too far from the human eye's calibration, then your screen is no good to use, no matter how good the internal contrast of it is.

There is no limit to how bright things can be or how dark things can be. So the internal contrast between a very deep pitch black and a very dark gray can be 1:10.000, but within a real world sunlit environment it all just looks like black. And this matters, because direct sunlight is 30.000 - 100.000 lux, while an office is maybe 500 lux.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Texas. I think you are just confused about meaning of the word "contrast" because you keep using in a way that makes no sense for contrast but makes some sense for brightness. Contrast in this context is the ratio of luminosity between brightest and darkest areas of a display. For a non-emissive display such as e-ink or LCD in a bike computer the ambient light level makes zero difference: the white pigment…

> Contrast in this context is the ratio of luminosity between brightest and darkest areas of a display. That is the internal contrast of a screen or printed material. I agree, and that type of contrast is important if the screen emits its own light. However, for outdoors use the only contrast that matters is relation to the real world, aka physical reality. And brightness of course becomes the main factor. Also, than…

>However, for outdoors use the only contrast that matters is relation to the real world, aka physical reality.

For you perhaps. I, for one, use screens to get information encoded in symbols and graphs, if all these symbols and graphs had no contrast with background I would not be able to distinguish them from the background. You seem to only care to compare the screen's brightness to the real world, perhaps losing your screen and then finding it in the real world, aka reality, is the main usage mode for you?

> But even so, eInk and paper has better contrast in real life outdoors use

You need to give a citation for this which would be pretty hard since we are already discussing a 12:1 device as shown by the spec sheet I've posted earlier. Or are you using "contrast" do describe brightness? In this case I agree - eInk's "black" is just a darker shade of gray so it reflects more light i.e. contributes to higher albedo. It's not great when you are trying to read from that screen but if you are just looking for the lost screen in the wilderness it won't hurt I guess.

You seem to be unfamiliar with bike computers but appear to be using your imagination instead of looking it up so I will state for the record - bike computers are affixed to bikes, a rider checks the computer during the ride and it's always in the same position, bike computers are not thrown into the wilderness to be searched for afterwards so locating one in the real world is rarely a problem facing a bike computer user. If one is detached in a crash, they always have radio and often speakers for more reliable mode of finding than the light reflected from the screen.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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Sure, threaded headsets (hardly modern, but they do still make bikes with those) don't use top cap, but they also don't have a hole at the top, which products you are talking about? PS. I searched and found some in-steerer storage. It's not a headset but essentially a hollow compression plug replacement with a top cap moved to the bottom. I have never seen a road fork with a hole at the bottom so it is likely limited…

Frame storage is my dream feature for a road bike. You see it on gravel bikes and it makes me very jealous.

I ride several bikes so I would not know what to use the in-frame storage for. I want the things like repair kit (with batteries) and lights (also with batteries) to be movable between bikes so the batteries are charged in time. Even if all my bikes had in-frame storage it would be a chore to move its contents.

Re: Show HN: Open-Source eInk Bike Computer

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Frame storage is my dream feature for a road bike. You see it on gravel bikes and it makes me very jealous.

Some newer road bikes have it too. Canyon Endurace and Trek Domane, for example

Trek dropped that (and "suspension" whatever it was called) from the new Domane.
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