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Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
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Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#62I think the time for this space is here. The appetite to depart from subscriptions and loaning your personal data to ad/ai companies is stronger than ever. Currently, a lot of this space is docker compose based and simply inaccessible to so many who may otherwise be interested. Whether or not it's this project or another, I hope something gathers enough steam soon to truly break the barriers to entry.
But this is a company building on AI.
The project itself is open source and doesn't have any AI features.
Also while Imbue is in some sense an AI startup it does have a very different ethos from a lot of tech companies: https://imbue.com/about
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#63a similar project which i think is a lot better than this (in fact it's so good i'm jealous of its genius) is https://exe.dev . It feels like something that hasn't really hit the mainstream yet but I suspect everyone will be talking about soon.
Closed source, solves a different problem, and just looks like generic agent sandboxes/VMs?
What am I missing.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#64These guys have been spamming issues in repos trying to promote this project and no disclosure whatsoever that they are associated with the project. https://github.com/search?q=%22cloudinabottle.toml%22&type=i...
(author here) I'm checking with my team to confirm these came from us, but if so I apologize for this - posts like these should come from a real account with proper disclosure, but also these sorts of requests feel premature for a project like ours that doesn't yet have a sizeable user base.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#65These guys have been spamming issues in repos trying to promote this project and no disclosure whatsoever that they are associated with the project. https://github.com/search?q=%22cloudinabottle.toml%22&type=i...
It's only 11 in the last 48h, on lesser known projects.
11 in 48 hours is way too many and I'd call that spam.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#66Great project! I have had conversations along these lines with my colleagues for quite some time now. Will definitely try. The docs mention cloudinabottle.toml but the app repos all have openhost.toml. Did you folks change the name of the platform? Also, can you point to how the unified auth works? Couldn't find anything in the manifest spec.
Yeah, it was called Openhost for a while before changing to Cloud in a Bottle. Either filename works.
It proxies requests from the user to installed apps, and adds a header 'is-owner'. Apps have to be built to respect that header - some apps do this by running their own little proxy/sidecar that will detect that header and inject saved credentials.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#67I think the time for this space is here. The appetite to depart from subscriptions and loaning your personal data to ad/ai companies is stronger than ever. Currently, a lot of this space is docker compose based and simply inaccessible to so many who may otherwise be interested. Whether or not it's this project or another, I hope something gathers enough steam soon to truly break the barriers to entry.
At the same time buying compute is more expensive than ever, and the gap between homemade projects and what's available online in term of speed, functionality and LLM capacity is bigger than ever.
Building the equivalent of Google Photos locally wasn't that hard 10 years ago, given enough tolerance for speed and indexing lag issues. Trying to do the same today will cost two arms and leg and require a lot more overall knowledge of what to compose to get the same result.
The dust will settle and we should go back to a nearer gap in I hope a few years, until the. it might be a glacier age for self-hosting.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#68>At the core, it's just an Ubuntu machine with a web server that hosts a dashboard and routes HTTP(s) requests to containerized apps. So no fail over/redundancy? I think at minimum it should be two machines, so one can break. That is one of the important features of cloud applications as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to deal with the problem of a single computer breaking.
As soon as you add multiple instances you have to consider concurrency for every app you add, which is a huge cost on the app development side.
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#69How is this different from say Docker? I procrastinated getting acquainted with the latter for a long time because I thought it was more for industrial-scale infrastructure, but when I finally wound up using it I was surprised at how easy and low-maintenance it was.
UI and UX. Auth. Out of the box apps get their own domain name.
Try it out and see
Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone
#70I think the time for this space is here. The appetite to depart from subscriptions and loaning your personal data to ad/ai companies is stronger than ever. Currently, a lot of this space is docker compose based and simply inaccessible to so many who may otherwise be interested. Whether or not it's this project or another, I hope something gathers enough steam soon to truly break the barriers to entry.
At the same time buying compute is more expensive than ever, and the gap between homemade projects and what's available online in term of speed, functionality and LLM capacity is bigger than ever. Building the equivalent of Google Photos locally wasn't that hard 10 years ago, given enough tolerance for speed and indexing lag issues. Trying to do the same today will cost two arms and leg and require a lot more overall…
for self hosted and personal use, compute lasts a good while though. and in the time you would've been waiting to time the compute market, you get to benefit by being less a part of the AI data dragnet.