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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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A good historical nugget is that the Americans got a huge leg up in the space race by importing the Germans who worked on the V-2 program. Germans killed Soviets by the millions. If you were a German of value (like a rocket scientist) you were eager to surrender to the Americans before the Soviets could get their hands on you. If you were the Americans, you distrusted the Soviets already, so it was a win-win. https:/…

> If you were a German of value (like a rocket scientist) you were eager to surrender to the Americans before the Soviets could... Misleading. Pretty much all Germans were eager to surrender to the Western Allies - US/UK/France. That became the German government's official top priority in the closing days of the war, and Eisenhower threatened to seal the Western Front (to German soldiers and civilians fleeing the Sov…

True, I just meant that if you had something of value (like rocket expertise) you would be more likely to get favorable terms. And you knew the Soviets would be extra interested in you. Thus the added "eagerness".

But yes the point is on the whole, Germans did not want to surrender to the Soviets. Germans didn't kill millions of American civilians. They didn't level American cities.

So, it was perfectly logical as Germany collapsed for any German to fear the retribution of the Soviet armed forces, who they had every reason to see as filled with a rage and a sense of purpose no American would have been able to contemplate.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

#182

A good historical nugget is that the Americans got a huge leg up in the space race by importing the Germans who worked on the V-2 program. Germans killed Soviets by the millions. If you were a German of value (like a rocket scientist) you were eager to surrender to the Americans before the Soviets could get their hands on you. If you were the Americans, you distrusted the Soviets already, so it was a win-win. https:/…

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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A good historical nugget is that the Americans got a huge leg up in the space race by importing the Germans who worked on the V-2 program. Germans killed Soviets by the millions. If you were a German of value (like a rocket scientist) you were eager to surrender to the Americans before the Soviets could get their hands on you. If you were the Americans, you distrusted the Soviets already, so it was a win-win. https:/…

They got a leg up and still the Russians with Sputnik got into space first, on top of splitting Korea and winning in Vietnam and having the nuclear bomb fall into their lap and to top it off they appear to have the Manchurian candidate in the White House.

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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From a sovereignty perspective, does a launch from continental Europe actually matter when Arianespace/CNES/ESA has been launching from France for decades?

There is no sovereignty perspective because Europe isn't even sovereign to begin with. For starters it doesn't even have a common army

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Orbital? Maybe not. Sub-orbital and ballistic? Absolutely.

Oh yes, I think everyone remembers Germany's ballistic rockets "Don't say that he's hypocritical, Say rather that he's apolitical. 'Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department,' says Wernher von Braun." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

hehe, yes but if it wasnt for german rocket scientists the americans and russians would not have had space agencies (at least not that early)

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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A good historical nugget is that the Americans got a huge leg up in the space race by importing the Germans who worked on the V-2 program. Germans killed Soviets by the millions. If you were a German of value (like a rocket scientist) you were eager to surrender to the Americans before the Soviets could get their hands on you. If you were the Americans, you distrusted the Soviets already, so it was a win-win. https:/…

For any unfamiliar with the history, Russia was a mass murdering machine in this era, vaporizing tens of millions of people, including Russians, in very short spans of time without even a second thought. We all know Germans was. And some people would fling fecal allegations that “so was the US!”. No. German and Russian actions were categorically different than wartime casualties (even brutal, possibly criminal, warti…

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Ironic to be acting like this and telling others to go back to bluesky. Please go for a walk.

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Some value coherent educated responses to emotional name calling. Being proud of devolving into that is something I don't share.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Have there been other rocket launches from continental Europe?

From a sovereignty perspective, does a launch from continental Europe actually matter when Arianespace/CNES/ESA has been launching from France for decades?

Doesn't it matter if this part of France is an ocean away?
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