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GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by jermaustin1 »

copperx wrote: post #102
jjcm wrote: post #90

It's ability to handle non-90 degree cutouts and shapes for web dev is one of the best I've seen. The vision model on this is VERY capable. Here's an image design source of truth: https://image.non.io/78f4cd8b-2560-4643-9a51-96a89171f994.we... And here's the page it build from it: https://image.non.io/e7d3a9e5-f9df-4fd8-b79f-1f90280f978f.we... Note the flowing svg lines, and how accurately it recreated them. Here's O…

> That site build cost $24 - extremely non-trivial for a simple frontend. I would say that $24 is trivial IF that's the final design. The truth is that the cost doesn't leave much room for error or experimentation.

A bespoke design like that a year ago would have cost $200-2000+ between design and development. Hell, it probably still does unless the person wanting the design is already a developer who knows how to prompt.

Everything costs more now than it did a year ago... except for THIS, and we are still complaining that a 90-99% reduction in cost is STILL too expensive. And a 50-75% reduction in time is STILL too long.

We used to have to wait for weeks for a design like that when I worked at a consultancy, and that is a week of salary. For the design, then it got handed off to a front end developer to slice it and get built so the back end developer can hook it up to a CRM. We are talking a month turn around with design, revisions, development, testing, and bug fixing.

It can now be done in a couple of hours for less than a single hour's cost. If it were 10x slower and 10x more expensive, it would STILL be "good deal".

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

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Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

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Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by tocariimaa »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

Are there alternatives that don't slurp in the remaining unused credits every new month? OpenRouter credits carry to the next month up to a year so that's why I use it.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by Petersipoi »

stymaar wrote: post #159
simonw wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's 'Generate an SVG of a ring-tailed lemur riding an electric scooter' at reasoning level max: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht... Quote from the thinking trace: > I’m thinking about how a helmet would obscure lemur ears, but using an electric scooter helmet seems responsible. It's pretty solid - face is a little wonky but excellent tail and scooter.

What if you asked a front/rear/top-side view of the scene (pelican or lemur)?

https://imgur.com/a/60GrJ0i

Did even better from the front. What's surprising is that it used the exact same colors as the simonw example, despite my prompt only being

> Generate an SVG of a ring-tailed lemur riding an electric scooter. Front view

GPT-6 Astra Extra High

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by stymaar »

maleldil wrote: post #162
stymaar wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you see how good the output of the Luna model without reasoning is compared to SotA just a year and a half ago, it's pretty clear that it's been trained on explicitly.

I don't see how this is proof, and not just that the model got the better. You're comparing models a year and a half apart; this is a lifetime in LLM development.

It's a lifetime on things that are explicitly being trained on! But small models like Luna didn't magically become more powerful than SotA models on stuff that they weren't explicitly trained on with a dedicated RL-pipeline.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by stymaar »

WarmWash wrote: post #192
brookst wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, suggestive but hardly proof

Many people still believe that LLMs can only reproduce what is in their training set.

That'd be too restrictive, but to get improvement in a particular domain you definitely need to train specifically for it. Just cramming more random internet text in a bigger model has stopped being a effective way of scaling since at least mid 2023.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by stymaar »

boxed wrote: post #167
stymaar wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a great rebuttal, quite the opposite actually: it's the same prompt with the most obvioy tweak you can imagine and the results are all the same. That definitely looks like it's been something the models have been trained on, and not some emergent capability (and if you take into account how nonthinking Luna compares to the SotA models from a year an half ago: https://simonwillison.net/tags/pelican-…

How about you come up with something yourself instead of just moving the goalpost?

No goalpost was harmed in the above comment.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by enraged_camel »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

Yeah their support is non-existent. It's actually mind-blowing that so many people use it.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by dominick-cc »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

That's crazy. Thanks for the heads up.
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