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Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by wincy »

embedding-shape wrote: post #18
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #7

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They gave out bankable resets for every day people on pro plans didn't get Astra. Given that, I wish they'd waited a few more days before activating it on my account :-D

> They gave out bankable resets for every day people on pro plans didn't get Astra. Yeah, when I saw that Tweet I knew the person was saying it because they knew it'll be available within 24h.

I must have been one of the last ones to get it because I managed to snag two bankable resets. Already reset once after having it clear up geometry in Blender, but it did a fantastic job!

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by WarmWash »

brookst wrote: post #175
maleldil wrote: post #162

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I don't see how this is proof, and not just that the model got the better. You're comparing models a year and a half apart; this is a lifetime in LLM development.

Yeah, suggestive but hardly proof

Many people still believe that LLMs can only reproduce what is in their training set.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by risyachka »

copperx wrote: post #102
jjcm wrote: post #90

It's ability to handle non-90 degree cutouts and shapes for web dev is one of the best I've seen. The vision model on this is VERY capable. Here's an image design source of truth: https://image.non.io/78f4cd8b-2560-4643-9a51-96a89171f994.we... And here's the page it build from it: https://image.non.io/e7d3a9e5-f9df-4fd8-b79f-1f90280f978f.we... Note the flowing svg lines, and how accurately it recreated them. Here's O…

> That site build cost $24 - extremely non-trivial for a simple frontend. I would say that $24 is trivial IF that's the final design. The truth is that the cost doesn't leave much room for error or experimentation.

>> The truth is that the cost doesn't leave much room for error or experimentation

Yeah if you are solo developer without budget.

For any business this is nothing, the ROI is massive.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by WarmWash »

awakeasleep wrote: post #85
Kranar wrote: post #83

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What is this supposed to mean exactly? Do you think there are developers at OpenAI or Anthropic whose job is to train these state of the art models to draw pelicans riding bicycles? Like how exactly do you expect them to be doing that anyways? Hiring graphic artists to create SVGs of bike riding pelicans and feeding thousands of them into the model's training set?

You gotta look up how RLHF works before you ask a demanding question like this.

Right, but that's not the crazy part. The crazy part is thinking they do it all specifically for pelicans on bikes.

If that was the case, the models would have been producing near perfect outputs for it a year ago.

Instead they are just training on general SVG generation, which in no way should be viewed as "benchmaxxing".

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by xfax »

simonw wrote: post #63
jsdalton wrote: post #59

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Simon do you have a page somewhere that shows _all_ of the penguins created by various models across time? You’ve been doing this public service for so long (well, for so long in “AI hype” years anyway) that it’d be fascinating to see the evolution of this artifact across time.

For the moment the best place to see them all is to browse the tag on my blog - 140 posts now! https://simonwillison.net/tags/pelican-riding-a-bicycle/ I'm running out of excuses not to build a proper comparison site though. Maybe I'll have Astra do rhat.

FWIW, I had Astra do it as you suggested: https://pelican-model-gallery.alienfluid.chatgpt.site

I used Light mode and it used up all my limits for the day and had to continue the following day.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by WarmWash »

bahmboo wrote: post #94
simonw wrote: post #63

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For the moment the best place to see them all is to browse the tag on my blog - 140 posts now! https://simonwillison.net/tags/pelican-riding-a-bicycle/ I'm running out of excuses not to build a proper comparison site though. Maybe I'll have Astra do rhat.

Would be great to spend some money (other people's money) on paying some illustrators and artists to do the same for comparison. It could be straight images converted to SVG or direct vector graphics.

Technically you would pay programmers to write SVG code with no visual feedback if you want a straight 1:1 comparison.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by simonw »

mkl wrote: post #187
simonw wrote: post #19

I posted this in the other Astra thread but it's just fallen off the homepage, so... Pelicans from Astra, plus 5.6 Sol, Terra, Luna for comparison: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2026/gpt-6-and-5.6-p... I think this is a genuinely interesting comparison grid. Astra may be more expensive, but if you have a budget of 10 cents for a Pelican Astra low gives you something SO much better than the other models. Ast…

Why do Sol and Terra use 26 input tokens when the others use 16?

I don't know and I'm really Interested in the answer.

I heard a rumor that Luna is a slightly different architecture from Sol and Terra, which makes me wonder if Luna and Astra might be more related to each other than to Sol and Terra.

Bit of a big leap to make from a token count though!

I just checked the tiktoken library and couldn't see any changes relating to Luna: https://github.com/openai/tiktoken

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by frenchtoast8 »

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything.

I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit in your account. Ironically some of the few responses I actually saw in the Discord were doubling down on their “no refunds no matter what” policy.

Re: GPT-6 Astra on OpenRouter

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Post by miyuru »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #199

I signed up for OpenRouter, loaded it up with $25, and after running a test prompt immediately had my account suspended. There’s no way to talk to support, emails go nowhere, and their Discord is swarmed with people who also are getting no responses to anything. I would recommend staying away from OpenRouter. No matter how good the service is, if anything does go wrong, you have no recourse and you lose every credit…

take screenshots of the responses and do a chargeback.
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