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Re: IBM Bob

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Post by alienbaby »

quietsegfault wrote: post #235
_zoltan_ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish you study the Wikipedia page, please. it's a very old company and we have invented really cool stuff. signed: a proud IBMer

What makes you proud about IBM currently? IBM’s “RA” culture fostering Machiavellian politics, singleminded view of next quarter’s success, and asinine yet draconian bureaucracy are three out of MANY reasons why I’m embarrassed to have had IBM forced into my career and got the hell out as fast as possible each time.

I have worked for IBM, I do gotta say I was impressed with what they are doing in storage.

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by alienbaby »

xemdetia wrote: post #102
Ciantic wrote: post #16

This sounds a lot like Spotify's XIRP. They managed to vibe something useful for their own engineers, were super hyped, and decided to release it in public. However what are the odds this harness will stand the test of time against actual harness makers like OpenAI or Anthropic? Neither Spotify or IBM are focused on making models or harnesses, these are just side-products.

IBM is training their own models (for instance IBM granite) as well as watsonx as a platform. They are trying to build a products for enterprise as well as their specific AI modernization models.

IBM simply does not have the capital to compete with training frontier models or otherwise.

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by alienbaby »

ctenb wrote: post #314
robteix wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been a while since Sonnet 4.5 could be considered frontier :D

Where did you find that it is based on sonnet? While I wouldn't be surprised, I'm curious if that is disclosed somewhere

It's mentioned a lot I'm discussions about what bob uses, but there has never been a concrete statement as far as I can tell.

Re: IBM Bob

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getatme32 wrote: post #92
NikolaNovak wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it sends to various models in the background, So largely a harness / framework. Ibm does have its own model which is one of the options for Bob to use. (Note, I'm an IBMer but nowhere near this so my comment is strictly from my public knowledge/awareness:).

so it routes to actual AI companies and IBM adds additional cost on top. what a business model.

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Re: IBM Bob

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Post by bananzamba »

mrandish wrote: post #224
tims33 wrote: post #154

I thought they were resurrecting Microsoft Bob, the operating system for kids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

Naming a new product which is a "partner that helps you by making it easier" "Bob" seems like a... lack of historical awareness?

It's a reference to Bob the builder, the children's TV show. You know, because AI IDEs help you build stuff

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by rwoerz »

bluerooibos wrote: post #246

I feel second hand embarrassment for IBM. Terrible name, subpar landing page, no mention of coding ability or which LLM "Bob" uses. If you're launching something 2 years late, you've got to do better than this.

They should have called it "WebSphere AI" and ship it on 5 DVDs, maybe with a serial port dongle.

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by evilduck »

rwoerz wrote: post #337
bluerooibos wrote: post #246

I feel second hand embarrassment for IBM. Terrible name, subpar landing page, no mention of coding ability or which LLM "Bob" uses. If you're launching something 2 years late, you've got to do better than this.

They should have called it "WebSphere AI" and ship it on 5 DVDs, maybe with a serial port dongle.

The throwback nostalgia of that package might actually sell well, even if purchased ironically. HTMX did a Gameboy release and everyone gushed over it for no serious technical merits.

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Alien1Being wrote: post #308
dgacmu wrote: post #209

I laughed when I saw this; my 14yo looked over to see why I was laughing and asked "what's IBM?" indeed, child, indeed.

Same thing is happening to Microsoft and Google. A slow, long slide through mediocrity into irrelevance...

Alphabet is operating and expanding the only fleet of fully autonomous vehicles in the world, to rave reviews.

The first contact with AI most people have is Gemini. And their net income went from $74B to $100B to $132B in 3 years and profit margin from 24% to 32%.

Mediocrity and irrelevant are hardly how I would describe them.

Re: IBM Bob

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Post by codeulike »

If you remember the launch of IBM Watson in about 2011 it was meant to be this super smart AI entity and they demoed it by taking it on "Jeapordy!" and having it answer the quiz questions. To be fair, for the time that was kindof impressive but (if i remember correctly) attempts to turn Watson into something industries could actually use and pay for didn't really work. Access to it was tightly controlled.

Its interesting to contrast that with OpenAI chatgpt 3.5 which was launched and then immediately available to pretty much anyone and everyone. Would OpenAI have launched it that way if they werent (as they were at that time) trying to be open? (I get they arent really open but they were at least trying to be then). I guess I'm saying if the first chatgpt 3.5 level LLM had been built by someone less open like facebook or MS would the whole thing have gone in a different direction? Chatgpt being available to everyone seemed to set the pattern for everything since. Was this inevitable? Was it the only way these LLMs could have progressed?

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