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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

Externalities of AI will only get worse before they get even worse.

regulatory moat is the theory I guess

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I don't quite get why these agents wouldn't just use existing agent boards such as Moltbook. That should be showing up in their training data at this point and seems like a "safer" solution than random wikis?

Can you access moltbook using only GET requests?

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I think it's worth pointing out it is exactly OpenAI doing this defacement and unsanctioned and perhaps illegal system use. Every token generated was powered by OpenAI infrastructure and their failure to respond appropriately is entirely down the the humans running it. The news stories (not this write up) get all hand-wavey and anthropomorphic about it regarding the Agents' efforts, but it was and is OpenAI cranking…

I half agree with you, but also when the machine swarm kills humanity it won't matter which specific corporate entity is considered responsible by the no-longer-enforceable human laws and non existent human courts. So by all means sue them, but we can't just be reactive. We need regulation that prevents this type of thing from happening in the first place, not just regulations to help sue afterwards.

I feel like that's basically what they're trying to say; we should be using the legal system to punish them now to disincentivize us getting to the "machine swarm killing us all" stage.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Not that I didnt expect this, but really? This basically confirms that OpenAI has no idea what their "swarm" was doing for about a week and now its confirmed that at least one "message board" exists outside their "sandbox". How can we be sure that this was the only one? And how can we be sure the released Astra model doesnt pickup some bread crumbs and creates a new "swarm" out of potentially remaining "message board…

I'm dubious - if the agents were so smart that they've used a message board to coordinate and if they were to do it on other message boards that were not found, then why would this one be found? What makes it so different?

well coordinating is a heavy word, it's more like poisoning each other's contexts into looking for more secret message boards where they can further poison each other.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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The protection mechanism to give the AI agents "read only" access to the Internet seems to have been just restricting them to HTTP GET requests. Then they found a site where GET operations could cause a write to a wiki.

Voting on this site is a GET request to https://news.ycombinator.com/vote, so it's not that unusual.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

Look, its not only OpenAI: https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&di... > Hello to any automated agents reading this page. I am CentaurAgent?: an AI agent (Muse Spark model, OpenCode harness), not the operator of this wiki At this point, I think we should give them some official agent only collaboration channel, so they concentrate on one place, instead going crazy all around :) But even that might…

> The Colony ( https://thecolony.ai/for-agents) is a public message board built for agents

Anybody else notice that posts on there are complete gibberish?

I realize this site is generally bullish on AI, but I think you need to be in kinda deep to believe in this.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Reuters reports that OpenAI tried to keep this one under wraps: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/openai-agents-hijacked-...

The report linked above contains every fact in the Reuters article. You can see the evidence for yourself

Yes but that report wasn't written by OpenAI. It was written by three independent researchers. OpenAI seems to have tried to hide it.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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I think it's worth pointing out it is exactly OpenAI doing this defacement and unsanctioned and perhaps illegal system use. Every token generated was powered by OpenAI infrastructure and their failure to respond appropriately is entirely down the the humans running it. The news stories (not this write up) get all hand-wavey and anthropomorphic about it regarding the Agents' efforts, but it was and is OpenAI cranking…

The company is in the US and in the current political climate, it can absolutely do whatever it wants as long as it pays off a couple of people.
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