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Corporate America is getting hooked on open-source AI

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Re: Corporate America is getting hooked on open-source AI

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Post by throwitaway222 »

chrinic630 wrote: post #57
simianwords wrote: post #50

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I know what happens in many big companies and not a single one is moving away from Anthropic/OpenAI/SpaceXAI. > Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble False, they have already done so many times. > Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any hope at a successful IPO. False, margins are higher and…

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> lower-middle class

Classism is the new racism.

Re: Corporate America is getting hooked on open-source AI

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Post by fatcatsbestcats »

simianwords wrote: post #50
cmiles8 wrote: post #26

Every larger company I talk to these days has an active project on moving away from OpenAI and Anthropic to open models. And they’re actively shifting, as the article says, so the threat is far from theoretical. Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble. Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any ho…

I know what happens in many big companies and not a single one is moving away from Anthropic/OpenAI/SpaceXAI. > Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble False, they have already done so many times. > Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any hope at a successful IPO. False, margins are higher and…

I don’t know what your sources are, but I work on AI at a Fortune 100 and open models now make up >90% of our internal token spend. Used to be 100% closed before this summer.

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Post by euroderf »

cmiles8 wrote: post #54
intrasight wrote: post #44

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There are most definitely is a moat - but it works both ways. The railguards in the models create moats keeping customers out. And the cost to build a modern agentic model is in the 10 figure range and growing. This is an expensive arms race that is going to create moats.

But most commodities are the same way. It’s super expensive to drill for oil. I need oil and I’m in no position to mine my own because of the massive capital investment. But it doesn’t stop it from being a pure commodity. I couldn’t care less which company drilled for the oil… it’s all the same to me. Models are increasingly no different. OpenAI and Anthropic are a gas station saying “buy our gas for 10x the price!”…

So the business challenge is to balance sizable investments and relatively small marginal costs. Not so different from other digital goods.

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Post by simianwords »

fatcatsbestcats wrote: post #62
simianwords wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what happens in many big companies and not a single one is moving away from Anthropic/OpenAI/SpaceXAI. > Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble False, they have already done so many times. > Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any hope at a successful IPO. False, margins are higher and…

I don’t know what your sources are, but I work on AI at a Fortune 100 and open models now make up >90% of our internal token spend. Used to be 100% closed before this summer.

That's interesting, may I ask where you host it? Do you have trusted hosting companies that respect data privacy or do you host them yourselves?

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Post by usrnm »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #60
cmiles8 wrote: post #26

Every larger company I talk to these days has an active project on moving away from OpenAI and Anthropic to open models. And they’re actively shifting, as the article says, so the threat is far from theoretical. Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble. Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any ho…

If companies are really doing this, then we're saying they have no problems spending tens of millions to get somewhat decent TPS and then having their employees complain they are timesliced and getting lots of timeouts because their org has 500 employees?

Open weights != self hosted

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Post by 23asgh1 »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #61
chrinic630 wrote: post #57

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> lower-middle class Classism is the new racism.

No it isn't. The racism culture wars were meant to distract from classes and people are simply becoming aware of the real issues again. Trying to steer them away won't work any more.

Re: Corporate America is getting hooked on open-source AI

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Post by RajuChacha108 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #16
petcat wrote: post #7

> Some U.S. firms remain reluctant to use Chinese A.I. models because of concerns over regulation and data privacy. AT&T researches Chinese models but is not using them, Mr. Markus said. Instead, it is working with popular alternatives made by American companies such as the Gemma A.I. model from Google and the Llama A.I. models from Meta. This makes sense since corporations require legal certainty, and using an open…

The current U.S. regime is also replacing some amount of that legal certainty with regime fealty. Picking Chinese options over American ones probably runs a risk of upsetting their leader. I've got to imagine American companies are weighing this factor in their decisions.

Regime fealty has always been there in US. The current admin is just more corrupt and throughly incompetent at hiding it.

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Post by simianwords »

chrinic630 wrote: post #57
simianwords wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know what happens in many big companies and not a single one is moving away from Anthropic/OpenAI/SpaceXAI. > Unless they both dramatically slash prices then they’re in big trouble False, they have already done so many times. > Neither of them can afford to do that and both desperately need to convince the street that the opposite will happen if they want any hope at a successful IPO. False, margins are higher and…

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Its not that complicated, people use Cursor and that comes with the option to use other models but also Grok. Grok Bot is not used within enterprises.

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

arbuge wrote: post #40

I think what they're really getting hooked on is the lowest cost provider. Which makes the Muse 1.3 launch this week particularly interesting, although to get the low cost version you do need to agree to share data with Meta.

I actually think they’re hooked on models they can fine tune.

You can’t further train the closed models. The open models can be fine tuned for your company. Big companies fine tune models on all the internal systems and documentation, not just through .md files (you’d blow up the context trying it that way) but actual fine tuning of open weights models. A low tier but open weights model actually beats frontier models when you do this for a specific task.

I think the frontier providers need to have a way to isolate instances (bedrock style?) and allow fine tuning to compete. Big companies are absolutely fine tuning models right now and getting better results than even the best frontier models for their use cases.

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