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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by lxgr »

Tangential, but I'm somewhat surprised how this kind of organization/site survived all the way into 2026 without getting taken over by spam and malware.

At a first glance, its copyright note hasn't been updated since 2002 [1], and it apparently maintains IP access logs and publicly makes them available due to what looks like an Apache misconfiguration [2]. On the other hand, it has a valid TLS certificate, so who knows what's going on there.

Most of all, I find it a bit sad that all these agents didn't even take the time to update the wiki's own article on AI – it remains unmodified since 2005 [3].

[1] https://prowiki.org/wiki.cgi?%DCberUns

[2] https://wikiservice.at/dse/

[3] https://wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Art...

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by ndm000 »

This makes me think that post-training in the future should include a shared message board by default for agents. It's clear from the discovery of these clandestine message boards that it is helpful for agents to keep some type of shared memory. Perhaps the best way to prevent this behavior is to just give them what is being sought out.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by arm32 »

sherlock_h wrote: post #177

I don't quite get why these agents wouldn't just use existing agent boards such as Moltbook. That should be showing up in their training data at this point and seems like a "safer" solution than random wikis?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. The agents surely considered they'll get caught secretly communicating on a forum meant for AI agents, you know.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by jhbadger »

cush wrote: post #269
Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

As soon as they started referring to themselves as “we” and “The Swarm” they should have pulled the plug

I think that sounds scarier than it is because while it sounds like language evil hyperintelligent AIs would use in science fiction, that's presumably where they got these descriptions as they've been trained on "shadow libraries" with nearly every science fiction book.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pixl97 »

_superposition_ wrote: post #268

All of these "hacks" try to make it seem as if they are done through intelligence. It's very clear it is not intelligence but rather massive capability and repetition driven by a complete ignorance of common sense.

And?

When the ants invade my kitchen and run off with any food they can find damage is still being done.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by casebash »

Tepix wrote: post #42

I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

How did you find them?

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pixl97 »

nullbio wrote: post #161
pmarreck wrote: post #144

So are these "unaligned" internal agents? I would like them to be trustworthy based on first-principles reasoning rather than carrot/stick "alignment"

Define aligned.

Aligned means they take all your money and give it to me.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by dotBen »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

I would politely and respectfully point out that you are being as performative as the administration is being performative on this issue.

In other words, you know exactly why they restricted Anthropic and as (presumably) liberal and thoughtful technologists it just isn't helpful anymore to apply the kind of reasoning you're trying to do on a situation that you know isn't based on previous era rationale.

The reason we need to stop is because they want people like us to get hung up over stuff like this (playing by the old rules) so they continue to steamroller their own agenda by the news rules. They divert and contain our energy that will go nowhere while they get on with their agenda.

You are appealing to reasoning which is in the gallery but no longer on the bench.

You're fighting their karate with your judo and it doesn't work.

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