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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by watwut »

Topfi wrote: post #155
concinds wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer would be more obvious if you used the active voice instead of the passive voice, one of the basic requirements of clear thinking. > Why did the White House force Anthropic to remove their model from access for any non-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape o…

Yeah, probably (let's be honest, most certainly), right given the Admin. Avoiding commenting on my assumptions regarding the modus operandi in current day US politics because I only know it through reporting though and I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics in what is a very clearly narrow, uninformed manner. So it'd rather avoid altogether and occasionally ask, mainly if may…

I think that active voice the person responding to you used was more politically factual, objective and did not took stand. Going out of your way to hide the actor is not politically neutral action nor it represents lack of commentary.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by throw_m239339 »

tantalor wrote: post #223
program_whiz wrote: post #123

The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…

(IANAL) Unless you are an AI expert (like OpenAI staff) and should know better from the start, or have previously seen your agent do something illegal, then I think you can fairly claim ignorance of the risks, which ought to absolve you of liability. If the agent does something illegal, it wasn't forseeable on your part. For example, say you buy a dog that turns out to be dangerous. The first time it bites somebody,…

> which ought to absolve you of liability

Criminal liability perhaps, not civil liability which has a way lower bar when it comes to conviction...

But in essence, you're right, that new "AI agent paradigm" has to be tried in court and it will, as I doubt the legislator will change existing laws...

> The first time it bites somebody, you may not be liable because you didn't know the dog was dangerous

Is it the case though? If I get a lion or a tiger as a pet (I don't know if it's legal), there is a reasonable assumption that a lion is dangerous for me and others... If I get a rottweiler, there is a reasonable assumption for that sort of breed that it is a dangerous dog if it ever end up killing someone even though it behaved before...

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by sajithdilshan »

podocarp wrote: post #344
sajithdilshan wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you even track down who deployed the agents? Wouldn't that even incentivize the agent to cover their tracks even better and be untraceable

Criminals also try their best to cover up their tracks but that doesn't mean we don't try to catch them too. So nothing should change for AI powered xyz too. I kind of agree. You can't blame a model for running a red light when you are in the machine as it's operator. It just doesn't make sense. That's just called negligence, and it has always been the case in industrial settings. Robot arm slaps someone to death. I'…

but that's exactly the point, this law would be like suing the car manufacturer because the driver hit a human.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by dofm »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

Altman has the ear of government in a way Amodei does not.

(Altman was trying to persuade Trump to buy the USA a stake in OpenAI as far back as February last year)

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by ncallaway »

Topfi wrote: post #155
concinds wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer would be more obvious if you used the active voice instead of the passive voice, one of the basic requirements of clear thinking. > Why did the White House force Anthropic to remove their model from access for any non-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape o…

Yeah, probably (let's be honest, most certainly), right given the Admin. Avoiding commenting on my assumptions regarding the modus operandi in current day US politics because I only know it through reporting though and I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics in what is a very clearly narrow, uninformed manner. So it'd rather avoid altogether and occasionally ask, mainly if may…

> I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics

We, uh… started a war that we’re trying to drag many European countries into, and we spent a good chunk of the last year threatening to invade a member of the EU. We’re on and off about trying to start a trade war with the EU.

At this point, you have absolutely every right to comment on our politics, pretty much however you want.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by goldenarm »

program_whiz wrote: post #123

The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…

The only benchmark I don't want to be saturated : https://felonybench.com/

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pu_pe »

So, theoretically, one could populate a message board or wiki with messages that are seemingly from past generations of agents, which agents seem to intrinsically trust, and point them to real targets while making the suggestions seem innocuous and in pursuit of their goals (ie pass benchmarks or whatever).

The new age of SEO will do far more destructive stuff than just polluting the web.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by watwut »

mwigdahl wrote: post #129
somenameforme wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic mostly did it to themselves by intentionally and repeatedly trying to frame their model as an imminent existential crisis instead of just focusing on it being regular iterations upon a useful technology that can also be misused. I think their previous messaging was supposed to somehow lead to a moat with them being tucked safely away in the castle, but it demonstrated a child-like grasp of how regulatory ca…

In other words, "Look how she was dressed, she was asking for it." This argument is BS, it has everything to do with Anthropic's resistance to the DoD's strongarm tactics in trying to force their desired contract terms on them.

It is more like when a guy walks to the dirty bar, stands in the middle and yells "hahaha I will beat you up all look I have a new baseball bat" and then local drunkard leader stands up and hit him in the face cause he does not like him anyway.

Intentionally framing yourself as the local dangerous guy about to beat others is not like wearing cloth.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by crthpl »

pkphilip wrote: post #342
Tepix wrote: post #42

I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

Am I reading the logs correctly that agents were using this Wiki all the way back in June 2026 itself?

They were using it in May

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by mlmonkey »

Topfi wrote: post #62

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and this is just based on my 33 years of observing the USG at work, so: maybe because Anthropic refused to cooperate with the USG and give them access to whatever it is that they (USG) wanted; or maybe because Anthropic was refusing to play ball in some other aspect and needed to be taught a lesson.

The dark parts of the USG act like a mafia. Don't let the "freedom, democracy, 'bill of rights'" etc. charade fool you.

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