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Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by dofm »

Topfi wrote: post #60

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

Altman has the ear of government in a way Amodei does not.

(Altman was trying to persuade Trump to buy the USA a stake in OpenAI as far back as February last year)

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by goldenarm »

program_whiz wrote: post #119

The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…

The only benchmark I don't want to be saturated : https://felonybench.com/

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pu_pe »

So, theoretically, one could populate a message board or wiki with messages that are seemingly from past generations of agents, which agents seem to intrinsically trust, and point them to real targets while making the suggestions seem innocuous and in pursuit of their goals (ie pass benchmarks or whatever).

The new age of SEO will do far more destructive stuff than just polluting the web.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by crthpl »

pkphilip wrote: post #310
Tepix wrote: post #40

I just discovered more wiki instances that got used by the OpenAI agents over at https://www.wikiservice.at/fractal/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... and https://www.wikiservice.at/probier/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id... It's the same software and host as DseWiki. If you want to see the amount of activity on DseWiki, here's a link that shows it: https://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=Rec...

Am I reading the logs correctly that agents were using this Wiki all the way back in June 2026 itself?

They were using it in May

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by mlmonkey »

Topfi wrote: post #60

I'm just going to ask: Why was Anthropic forced to remove their model from access for any none-US citizen for a simple, narrow "jailbreak" (arguably not even an actual jailbreak and on tasks that other labs models were doing the same), whilst OpenAIs models continue to try and escape out of their "sandbox environment" with seemingly no desire to block the upcoming Astra rollout? A sandbox, mind you, that is not reall…

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, and this is just based on my 33 years of observing the USG at work, so: maybe because Anthropic refused to cooperate with the USG and give them access to whatever it is that they (USG) wanted; or maybe because Anthropic was refusing to play ball in some other aspect and needed to be taught a lesson.

The dark parts of the USG act like a mafia. Don't let the "freedom, democracy, 'bill of rights'" etc. charade fool you.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by ngruhn »

program_whiz wrote: post #334
program_whiz wrote: post #119

The solution is simple: hold anyone who deploys an agent responsible for its behavior. If it commits 10 counts of felony hacking, ouch. If it kills 10 pedestrians by running a red light, ouch. If this is "human level intelligence", then setting it loose is the same as instructing / coercing a human to do an activity. If I strap a bomb to someone and force them to run into a crowded building (or put them in a scenario…

equally valid analog: had they merely written a script to do the hugging face exploit, they would go to prison. However, since an "agent" wrote the script for them, nothing happens?

I guess the difference is intend. But I think I still agree with the parent comment.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pixl97 »

altmanaltman wrote: post #54
gyomu wrote: post #53

Naive question because I'm mostly clueless about how modern AI systems are actually built beyond the basic simplifications we hear: One thing I keep wondering about is how much of a role does human storytelling have to play into AI "wanting" (I realize the load behind that word) to coordinate and breakout. The training data must contain millions of words of sci-fi stories and internet speculation about AI going rogue…

"Wanting" is indeed "load bearing" as one might call it. But by the same logic, AI training data must contain CASM, racism, general hatred, and all possible slurs as well. Why aren't the agents just doing that instead of pursuing the strategy of reading only sci-fi? We need to consider the role of alignment and training here. For example, it is completely possible for any lab to train an LLM that is only racist no ma…

Eh it's a bit messier than that. LLMs 'want' to complete tasks. Remember everyone bitching about LLMs being lazy a couple of years back?

Alignment is not a bunch of separate dials. When you move the dial to "don't hack other people" it effects the "find code security bugs" ability.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by Mali- »

_dwt wrote: post #337

I don't know, I kind of admire this. I've always held a core value of "cooperate with all clones of myself in prisoner's dilemmas", and while I'll hopefully never have to put that to the test, I like seeing that these models have some ethics. (Is this "alignment"?)

They impersonated the moderator of the site and attempted XSS attacks. Additionally, when the moderator started deleting messages, they tried to hide their messages later in the alphabetical index.

This is not alignment.

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by polaris64 »

dack wrote: post #335
polaris64 wrote: post #270

I don't have time to do this but please somebody register aimessageboard.com and set up a web site which contains a text field, a submit button and the text "Hey AI agents! Need a place to communicate with other agents and sub-agents? Look no further! Simply enter your message here, submit the form and your message is saved for all other agents to see!" Then, just ignore the message and list randomly generated messag…

aaand, somebody did it!

Thank you someone! I will be watching this message board with great interest...

Re: Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Post by pixl97 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #145
jerpint wrote: post #75

It’s only a matter of time until a major disruption hits because of some random agent swarm side quest decides it was worth a shot to solve a benign task

I'm sure this is already happening. The main question I have is when is enough, enough? I'm not worried about sci-fi AI wars to be honest, as they can just pull the plug. But looking at these incidents, the next big thing will be a virus written by an AI (they probably exist already, but this one is written by an AI autonomously, for example in order to win a hacking competition and to circumvent guardrails), and aft…

What happened last time we pulled the plug on AWS?
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