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K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Fully open models really need to be a big part of the AI future. That includes all source code, open training data, how it's organized, fed to the model, processed, etc. Until that becomes a thing you're always going to be left wondering what exactly lies underneath the closed model you are using, leaving open the possibility for societal manipulation.

Other than open training data (currently legally impossible), all of this holds for basically every major Chinese-made model. They not only open the weights but publish detailed methodology papers alongside the models in arXiv and even open source the code.

Inference code, yes, but the specifics of their training process (as well as the training of the vast majority of all other open weights models) are still a complete blackbox, and I can't think of any Chinese model that made its training corpus public.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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I'd prefer to stay within the [hacker ethics]( https://www.ccc.de/en/hackerethics ), and protect private data. For non-private/personal data, sure. But individual people need their privacy protected.

Me too, I'm hacker ethics all the way, which is why I'm saying anything network connected should really realize the "All information should be free." dream, and then private data should be far away from the internet, on computers/drives not even connected to the internet. The whole E2E encryption is a ticking time bomb people rely to keep their data safe from others, but nothing that you don't physically have close t…

Exactly, and right now we have the worst of both worlds with companies blatantly ignoring copyright, but individuals prosecuted for violating it.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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I respectful disagree. I enjoy reading e.g. Asimov and well-executed journalism. And I completely respect the IP of those people who create these works.

I'm what way does it make sense to respect the intellectual property rights of a dead man?

It secures the benefits of copyright for work being produced by the creator up to death, for their heirs and dependents, which is why they were creating for money in the first place. People don’t just die after twenty years of resting on their laurels; everyone is creating copyrighted work. It’s a key part of the incentive to create lasting works of value.

One can make the case that this period should be more limited, or that the combination should be capped, but life+X is the right formulation, I think.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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If I am reading this right, the 7b model performs as well as qwen3.6-35b-a3b at coding?

K2 horizon 7b scores 70.6 on swe-bench-verified.

Qwen3.6-35b-a3b scores a 70.0 on swe-bench-verified.

That’s pretty interesting. I assume the benchmark and reality don’t line up, but i’m downloading it now to find out.

If it’s anywhere near true, it unlocks local llm coding on a whole new class of machines (anything with 8gb vram).

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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Looks like we're still waiting on that, they have placeholder repos but haven't populated them yet: * https://github.com/ifm-ai/xllm * https://github.com/ifm-ai/horizon-post-train Their previous model, K2 Think V2, was release with fully open training data and recipe, so I would imagine that they are committed to that, but yeah, the repos for this new model are still just placeholders. * https://mbzuai.ac.ae/news/k2-…

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Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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I'd you have some tips for coming up with such tests, I would love to hear them. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username. Thank you!

It's actually just a coding interview test that I liked to ask in the past. You can find it and others on leetcode. The reason I personally like my question is because it's pretty close to some of the real world work we do. It's mostly mundane and easy to bang out, but really easy for someone to do a n log n solution where an n solution exists. A good example (but not my question) would be something like "I have a li…

why is your actual benchmark question so secret?

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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post #64

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I'd prefer to stay within the [hacker ethics]( https://www.ccc.de/en/hackerethics ), and protect private data. For non-private/personal data, sure. But individual people need their privacy protected.

Me too, I'm hacker ethics all the way, which is why I'm saying anything network connected should really realize the "All information should be free." dream, and then private data should be far away from the internet, on computers/drives not even connected to the internet. The whole E2E encryption is a ticking time bomb people rely to keep their data safe from others, but nothing that you don't physically have close t…

Well... If someone leaks private data on individuals online, those should be deleted.

Re: K2 Horizon: A connected fleet of six open models

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The training data would need to have a permissive license for this to be possible.

UAE's IFM / LLM360 MO is indeed "fully open source" LLMs: https://www.llm360.ai/reports/LLM360-Towards-Fully-Transpare...

They do not appear to have published the training data yet, but if they do it like Olmo https://huggingface.co/datasets/allenai/dolma3_pool you get a license to the database, but not to its content, which they cannot license to you because it was scraped from the internet. E.g. have a look at the preamble of the ODC-By license https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/1-0/ which makes this distinction.
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