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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Ekaros »

echoangle wrote: post #548
manlymuppet wrote: post #406

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

And I could bet money on that in short time after someone builds that sort of system the next step is to make it worse. Push worse and more expensive options to user. Or at least those from highest bidder... Anyone involved just can't keep themselves honest so it is doomed to be exploitative.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Powdering7082 »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #487
XCSme wrote: post #335

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

> Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds? I built a phone app recently, not released to the public, just an idea I had for ages but could never spend the time actually building. Its 100% vibe coded, and took me a few weekends to build... I'm talking a few hours in total. The point I'm making is that you now have the power to create stuff you would never have had the time to build. You can think…

Me too! (although I am hoping to release it, but it was primarily for me)

I was thinking about writing something and hopefully starting a community/resource area around hyper-personalized software, it's so easy to make now. I was thinking about how it'd be useful to have a place to share these, for ideation, sharing techniques and the ability for LLMs to riff on something already existing. It's not quite like open source's advantage of having many people contribute to the same project, but rather something that is closer to evolution, giving the next generation a place to start modifying.

Would you have any interest in sharing what you've made?

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Post by smokel »

manlymuppet wrote: post #406

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

"Somebody is wrong on the internet" will get you more, and more reliable, results on what people actually want from AI. You are now participating in a very high-value survey.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by globular-toast »

XCSme wrote: post #335

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

So this what a deflation economy is like. People don't want to do anything because they feel like whatever they do will be worthless in the near future.

I've retreated to doing stuff with my hands. Wokdwork, DIY, that kind of thing. At least for now and the foreseeable future that doesn't seem pointless. Only problem is it's hard work yet nobody would pay me for it.

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Post by socalgal2 »

manlymuppet wrote: post #406

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

Maybe because the people making them are workaholic types who really don't care? I've certainly been in situations where I didn't really care what shows up for a meal. Someone was tasked with getting food and we leave it up to them. Sure, I can imagine such a meal being bad and it has been a few times in my life but 24 of 25 times, maybe more, it's fine. Further, the AI knows your preferences.

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Post by gtirloni »

z7 wrote: post #565
astrobiased wrote: post #370

I can’t help but notice how much this echoes Francois Chollet’s On the Measure of Intelligence: https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.01547 Most of frontier-model progress still looks like skill acquisition optimization: broader benchmark coverage and performance, more domains absorbed into the training distribution, and increasingly strong performance within that surface area. It seems more about coverage-driven competence. So…

Chollet writes he expects AGI now sooner than 2030, "given progress is happening faster than I expected." https://x.com/fchollet/status/2095607046129463577

How is that an argument to the comment you replied to?

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Post by N_Lens »

sensanaty wrote: post #560
manlymuppet wrote: post #406

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

Despite access to """"""AGI""""""" all the marketing teams at these companies can only dream up 2 things, buying plane tickets and online shopping autonomously. Sometimes they're feeling extra spicy and throw in sorting emails or something along those lines. I suspect it's because it's tailored towards VCs and other similar rich ghouls as a replacement for their overworked and underpaid secretaries

Maybe this is why they NEED AGI (does it come with a soul?)

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Post by handoflixue »

zug_zug wrote: post #386
intenex wrote: post #248

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

- Amazon is full of AI books, and they're clearly making money. AI has won multiple literary and artist awards.

- Okay, it's not a "new company" idea, but VendingBench is all about ability to run a company

- Plenty of people disagree with you on conversational quality; see "AI Boyfriends" etc.. (and it's not hard to find people who consider it uniquely valuable for discussing mental health)

- "come up with its own ideas or theories that nobody else has presented" C'mon, seriously? Solving a half-dozen hard open math problems wasn't enough there? What the heck counts as "it's own ideas or theories" at this point?

- plenty of evidence that custom models are starting to do well on the stock market, although I'll admit we're a year or so from any solid proof, since you need a track record to really make the claim

- LLMs have been capable of being a GM for a TTRPG for over a year (although like humans, they make mistakes)

- Okay, conceded, but humans tend to take years and large teams to make a game. Even if the capability existed today, it would take a while to actually build, test, market, etc.. - all made much more complicated by gamers being largely opposed to AI art styles, etc..

- "be able to sort through research and come to conclusions on complex geopolitical/sociological topics" - uh... did you mean to say something else, because "come to conclusions" is... like, LLM 101?

- Hahaha, have you met humans? We definitely cannot do that.

- Uh... thinking about it's own thinking is trivial. Most LLMs these days are built using LLMs, so uh, self-optimization seems nailed, too? We just don't let them do it unsupervised.

- LLMs fucking love to wonder about things

- "observe contradictions and ironies in the social-consciousness" really seriously have you actually used an LLM recently? I think you would find it remarkably enlightening.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by deadbabe »

echoangle wrote: post #548
manlymuppet wrote: post #406

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

Plan a holiday, definitely. There are many esoteric things one has to research to properly plan a holiday that I’d rather just not. Some things require reservations months in advance and I’d rather an AI just figure all that out for me ahead of time.

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Post by altcognito »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #729
Telanir wrote: post #654

AGI to me means capable of absorbing new information on the fly and self-evolution. As long as it is a pre-trained model without live post-training capability, it's not AGI to me. It is extremely impressive, but it doesn't pick up skills in a lasting manner, and requires a beefy harness for it to perform.

AGI to me means intuition and I don't think that's ever going to happen with a LLM.

How do you define intuition?
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