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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by diomedes »

zug_zug wrote: post #389
intenex wrote: post #249

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

>be able to sort through research and come to conclusions on complex geopolitical/sociological topics (e.g. theorize on whether AGI will result in mass poverty or mass abundance and be able to argue persuasively)

i'm not sure what makes you think AI cannot do this already. in my experience, this sort of deep research is something AI is quite good at.

example i just tested: https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9a20e3-1d20-83ea-a125-31aa240c74...

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by grandarmory »

ShoeMascot wrote: post #646

Through various comments here there is a clear confusion on what AGI means. Can someone point to a definite clarification? Is it: A) “Resting” intelligence that cycles 24/7 toward some goal, and any potential emergent ambient goals? (kinda what I think) B) Consciousness itself? The ability to feel and experience alongside the thinking - even if it is toward the end of completing some task? C) “The Singularity” (whate…

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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Telanir »

AGI to me means capable of absorbing new information on the fly and self-evolution. As long as it is a pre-trained model without live post-training capability, it's not AGI to me.

It is extremely impressive, but it doesn't pick up skills in a lasting manner, and requires a beefy harness for it to perform.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by aabajian »

Chinjut wrote: post #320

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

The answer to this is: countries with the most natural resources will build robots to farm all their food, mine all their minerals, and build all their products. It will be up to governments to enforce that outputs are equitably distributed to the populace. Countries without natural resources, or ones with corrupt governments, will continue to have serious, and likely worsening, problems.

Thought experiment: If no thought workers are needed to design or engineer a Ferrari, what is needed? My answer is time and natural resources (include energy).

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by newsy-combi »

lumost wrote: post #648
abixb wrote: post #228

I want to take a step back: So, this is GPT-6 -- the natural number version release comparable to GPT-4 and GPT-5 from the past few years. The ARC-AGI-3 score is obviously impressive at 99.9% (we'll need to wait for more details on how they used the response API harness on GPT-6 Astra, wrt reasoning retention and compaction), but every other benchmarks seems to be a relatively modest improvement, comparable with any…

I think we're getting to the point where it is difficult to identify the goal post of AGI. Is it rapid skill acquisition? -> ARC benchmarks are saturated Is it breadth of knowledge? -> See many ... many benchmarks Is it ability to do hard tasks? -> see terminal-bench and released outputs. We are at the point where the starting point for most tasks should be "send your agent to work on it." So where do we draw the lin…

The real answer is converting from any format to any other reliably. Text to speech, speech to text, music to video, image to 3D, piloting a drone by converting video feed to rotor speeds, literally any file conversion, like html to pdf, photoshop project to png, png to photoshop project,... turning Toy Story 1 into a series of Blender scenes with all textures, models, materials, lighting, camera movements matched to a tee, should solely be a matter of how long you let the model run. It should never run itself into a dead end. It should instantly know when it is making mistakes, with no human babysitting it.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by forgetfulness »

Buttons840 wrote: post #421
Planktonne wrote: post #257

I'm sure it's going to do great on all sorts of benchmarks, but the video--the actual marketing video that if anything is incentivised to overstate things--is full of careful cuts just before it would do anything that still wouldn't actually be that impressive. It's AGI, and it's going to upload photos, or change a background slide colour. Even the people hyping it up, who believe that it's really artificial intellig…

The tone of the marketing video is a bit irritating to me as someone who has been laid off and feels cheated and fearful of AI. It shows people who seem to have very full and rich lives, and the reason they do is because they use ChatGPT. These are the people smart enough to say things like "do what needs to be done", or "change the background to make it look better"--insights like these are why they make the big buc…

> On the one hand, I think this is an accurate depiction of the future. There is no meritocracy here. Some people have access to the best AIs and can speak a sentence and get great results, and the rest of us don't have access and so we're the poors. The happy presentation doesn't match the way I'm feeling.

It will probably still have some veneers of meritocracy.

These will be very well-credentialed people, who went to top schools and will know all the right people, to whom they can tell all the right words, and it's not access to AI that will be the determining factor, but the fact that they're entrusted with capital and authority to direct small teams of people who also went to top schools and can speak corporate jargon at a bot.

It will just exacerbate dynamics that are already there. Why do people need bachelor's degrees to send emails, today? For the same reason someone will need a PhD or a master's degree from a prestigious school to do it tomorrow.

And the rest, well, you know, some of the remaining journalists will write op-eds describing how they are beyond help, too angry, too dirty, too much of an other.

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Post by lonrenor »

echoangle wrote: post #557
manlymuppet wrote: post #410

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

For me, it is not a matter of trust but that I actually like shopping, planning a trip, deciding what restaurant to go to. Deciding what to buy when shopping is a matter of personal taste and not intelligence.

A human assistant is largely a status symbol. Most people are not really that busy. The real problem with an agentic assistant is if everyone can have one then it no longer acts as a status symbol.

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Post by beardbandit »

noelsusman wrote: post #650
manlymuppet wrote: post #410

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

The overwhelming majority of things I buy are things I've bought before. Alexa having access to my Amazon order history means I can just say "order a new water filter for my fridge" and the correct item shows up the next day. Far from life changing, but it's a feature I use somewhat frequently these days. Similarly, I would trust an AI to put in my usual Chipotle order or pizza from my local pizza joint. I wouldn't w…

This isn't something you need an AI to do for you though...
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