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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by smgpie »

pavitheran wrote: post #475
zug_zug wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd be curious to hear takes on what would make you think Astra is yet to be AGI, and what would still need to be achieved for this to effectively be AGI from this point forward. To me AGI is all about the "G" general (we already had the AI part). General meaning universal, everything. It's not a function of knowledge or specific hardcoded tests, it's that you could give it a test it's never heard of before and nev…

By this definition, even most humans would not qualify as having AGI though.

AGI has always been expected to outperform humans or else what is the point of it?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by bitexploder »

andxor wrote: post #545
dalemhurley wrote: post #312

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

> Sol is so much better than Fable 5 I'm genuinely so confused when people say this with a straight face. Are you talking about coding? Desktop use? Prose? Or something else? Sol is a much smaller models and it shows. It often misses the forest for the trees.

I feel like a lot happened this week and people are glazing how ridiculously strong Flash 3.8 is right now compared to Fable/Opus/Sol/Astra.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by bitexploder »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #619
dalemhurley wrote: post #312

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

Codex is missing a few things that Claude code has had for some time like defined plugin subagents and a few other things. But overall it’s fairly capable. The biggest gripe I have is that codex really restricts context window sizes and compaction leads to a lot of grounding work, and overall codex GPT is too literal in many situations - it’s follows direction slavishly, and when subagent reviewers are used, they ten…

Opus 5 is a genuinely infuriating model. I hate it’s behavior.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by Forgeties79 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #343
mvkel wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it from the mouth of the creator of ARC-AGI: When we released ARC 3, I got asked, "when do you think a frontier model will saturate it?", and I answered "in about a year, though it depends on how much it gets explicitly targeted" That was 6 months ago, so the progress that Astra represents happened about 2x faster than I anticipated. I think the speed of progress will surprise a lot of people, and what the new m…

I feel like AGI's definition got watered down, and these tests do not cover the original definition, what is your definition and thoughts on aligning with what all of us understood from the original claim? I feel like this test is just helping someone like Sam Altman pretend like he implemented AGI as originally pitched for an IPO when in fact, he has not. Shameful. > AGI is essentially the equivalent of a median hum…

> I feel like AGI's definition got watered down

Typical result of venture capital and too many bag holders unfortunately.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dinfinity »

dgunay wrote: post #697
uludag wrote: post #332

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Wouldn't "general intelligence" require so much more than scoring well (or even amazingly) on benchmarks? Like what about having some "AGI model" embodied in something (maybe humanoid), and test it by having it step in an assortment of cars and park them. Does bodily-kinesthetic intelligence account for nothing? Humans are intelligent creatures and can dynamically adapt to the physical shape of a variety of vehicles…

This is a big reason why I feel like even though LLMs are _effectively_ AGI in some regard, they also are a hack around what most people figured AGI would look like before the advent of LLMs. Humans can do metacognition, output multimodally at the same time (verbal _and_ physical intelligence go together to produce an expressive face while one talks), have a good sense for what they do and don't know, continuously ta…

Current AI is arguably much more capable of multimodal output than humans. It can produce an incredibly vast variety of audio, images, and video. Humans are limited to producing the sounds we can make with meatflaps in our throats, and contorting various parts of our bodies to produce crude symbols and shapes.

(Very capable!) Embodiment, persistent operation and continuous learning are indeed things that still set us apart from AI. None of those are fundamentally difficult to solve, though.

More importantly, none of those are particularly relevant for being "intelligent": If a criminal threatened to kill your family unless you solve some difficult problem that requires only intelligence and you could choose any single person, animal, or AI to help you with it, which would you choose? Be honest.

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Post by bronco21016 »

echoangle wrote: post #606
manlymuppet wrote: post #444

I have nothing to say about the actual model, but unrelated--why do so many of these demos include people buying things autonomously? Even if I did trust an AI to get everything right, it's not like the AI can read my mind. If I was ordering food normally and without AI, I would want more control over the process--looking over the options, prices, thinking about what I really want. People don't know what they really…

That’s exactly the problem I have with all this agent ideas too. Imagine you had a human concierge that is just waiting for your instructions and is as smart or a bit smarter than you. Would you just tell them “plan this holiday for me” or “order this food”? I don’t even trust my friends to get this right, why would I give this to someone else?

I think it depends on what you do for work. I'm not going to ask an agent to book my flight for my vacation to French Polynesia. I want to pick my seat and potentially find a deal making an upgrade worth it, choose an airline, etc.

But my routine business trips in the CONUS with strictly defined booking options... let me just email an agent "Get there by meeting on day A, leave after meeting day B" and have it sort it all out without the drudgery of the corporate travel portal. YES PLEASE!

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by jrflo »

pera wrote: post #426
intenex wrote: post #272

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

To each their own. Personally I will start feeling the AGI as soon as we move from chatting about benchmark results to learn that some lab just announced the discovery of tens of novel treatments for rare diseases. Maybe I'm too boring but it seems quite pointless to have this same prediction game every time a new model is released.

You are describing superintelligence (ASI) not general intelligence (AGI)

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by dannyw »

jumploops wrote: post #548

I think the thing I'm most excited about is the increase in _user prompting_. If I give a poorly constrained/ambiguous prompt, I don't want the model one-shotting assumptions left and right. The demos of Fable/GPT-6 are impressive, but "real AGI" should act more like a collaborator than either a peon or overachiever. It's a tough balance to get right, and although this has been possible to achieve with additional pro…

Anecdotal experiences from my external early testing of Astra: if you love Sol (like I do) and wished it was smarter at everything, but especially better at high-level tasks and discussions; I think you'll LOVE Astra.

Astra retains the best parts and overall 'grounded collaborator and executor' of Sol in my testing (harness: codex CLI); while being a significant leap in capabilities & higher-level thinking.

When you prompt it like a technical collaborator, I've found Astra to be extremely consistent in staying as a collaborator, and not being over-eager, over-achieving or doing work that you haven't asked it to.

When you ask it to one-shot something, or explicitly ask it to make decisions, it will of course make its own assumptions and decisions, and generally very well.

Astra is also excellent at instruction following and respecting the guidance and steers boundaries you have.

^OpenAI does not review, limit, or tell me what to say; opinions are my own experiences.

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