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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by lukeschlather »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #134
subscribed wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google and Apple should be legally mandated to federate with nation state identity systems. With which states? I'm I'm a citizen of two and live in the third, potentially having eSIM of the fourth?

The same states and countries they integrate with today for digital identity verification. If you have a passport, national ID card, or US state ID or driver's license, you have a government provided digital identity that can bound to and authenticated against. I'm probably missing a government credential in scope, but the backend database lookup is trivial. The US Login.gov idp is about to roll out identity attestat…

Putting IDs in mobile wallets is such a minefield without explicit bans on phone searches by law enforcement. Law Enforcement being able to rifle through all your email/bank/medical records because you had a traffic stop is just not acceptable.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #162
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160

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> If you defer to a politician, you simply centralize more power into a body of government constrained by only cultural norms and donor interests. You're taking it as a premise that someone should have this power, i.e. that the centralization should actually exist. Compare two alternatives. One, each person has (is required to have) a single account across all services. You use the same account for the DMV, YouTube,…

Open standards, protocols, and interoperability are definitely part of my values. But you're still relying on a law if I understand you correctly. If the society lacks them as deeply ingrained values as opposed to somehow to getting lawmakers to force them, then they will be implemented cynically and not within the spirit of the values. The type of thing that happened with apple's implementation of the anti-gate-keep…

This is one of those problems where there are different ways to solve it but all of them require you to put in the work.

We currently have an army defeatists who show up to tell you that if you think companies would get more customers by selling products that screw them less, nobody cares about that and people just want to live in a convenient cage with an unlimited supply of artificially sweetened penitentiary gruel. These people (to the extent that any can be found who are not robots) should obviously be burned alive in the town square to serve as an example to the others, but the most important thing if you intend to solve the problem in that way is to ignore them and build the product that screws customers less anyway. And then shame the services not doing that into irrelevance, once the alternative actually exists. Put it in your advertising so people know there is a difference.

Likewise, there are better ways to do anti-gatekeeping rules than what the EU is doing. For example, require two things. First, that source code be published as a requirement to receive copyright protection -- not that the customer can make unlimited copies, but that they can read it to know what it's doing or make changes to their own copy. And second, require that if the manufacturer/seller can modify any code running on the device, so can the customer. Now Apple can do malicious compliance all they like, but any vendor locks they put in will have someone distributing a patch to remove them the next day, and inhibiting that is the thing which is prohibited.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by mapontosevenths »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #137
icantevenhold wrote: post #136

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We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

Centralization of power at all levels is bad. I therefore agree in spirit. But who is the 'we' in that 'we'? If you defer to a politician, you simply centralize more power into a body of government constrained by only cultural norms and donor interests. Making a change requires the shifting of the overtone window of acceptability. At that point, it executes on it own regardless of mechanism. The cultural norms are th…

> Centralization of power at all levels is bad.

I assume that by this you mean something more nuanced than "we should abolish the FAA and let the airplanes crash until private enterprise solves it." Or maybe "Let drug dealers (pharmaceutical companies) sell whatever the free market will bear without testing, safety, or the ability to hold them responsible."

I only ask, because there are some people who unironically think that we'd be more safe going back to the time before OSHA, or medical licensing, and some of them hang out here.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lukeschlather wrote: post #181
toomuchtodo wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same states and countries they integrate with today for digital identity verification. If you have a passport, national ID card, or US state ID or driver's license, you have a government provided digital identity that can bound to and authenticated against. I'm probably missing a government credential in scope, but the backend database lookup is trivial. The US Login.gov idp is about to roll out identity attestat…

Putting IDs in mobile wallets is such a minefield without explicit bans on phone searches by law enforcement. Law Enforcement being able to rifle through all your email/bank/medical records because you had a traffic stop is just not acceptable.

The ID can be presented without providing the device to law enforcement. Same UX as a payment, it’s an NFC exchange.

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Post by whatthesmack »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #116

Is theo a paid shill for openai? Because he's certainly coming off as such.

No, he is not. It's just that OpenAI has just been doing things a lot better than their competitors lately, and he often highlights the things that make this true.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by jedberg »

Terr_ wrote: post #163
jedberg wrote: post #147

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Banks can't just ban you, nor just take your money. The price they pay for being gatekeepers is a ton of regulation. This is why PayPal for the longest time made it really clear that "we are not a bank". So that they wouldn't be subject to those regulations and could suspend accounts and keep the money.

> Banks can't just ban you They kinda can. https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/seeing-like-a-bank/

Sure, but they have to give you your money back. They can't just keep the money.

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Post by jedberg »

megagpt1 wrote: post #169
jedberg wrote: post #147

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Banks can't just ban you, nor just take your money. The price they pay for being gatekeepers is a ton of regulation. This is why PayPal for the longest time made it really clear that "we are not a bank". So that they wouldn't be subject to those regulations and could suspend accounts and keep the money.

Banks can just ban you if they whisper the magic words "suspected money laundering". They are theoretically accountable to a process that takes 500 years and 3 quadrillion dollars to reach a resolution, then they will unban you. You might notice both you and the bank will be dead by that time.

I actually know someone this happened to. While they did ban him from using the bank, they first warned him, gave him a chance to close out his open transactions, and then helped him move all the money somewhere else at no cost.

The important part is that they can't just close your account and keep everything.

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Post by bitexploder »

overgard wrote: post #26

I don't get these model providers forcing people to use their (bad) software. I just downgraded my anthropic account because I can't stand the bugfest that is Claude. I won't even touch google for AI. Doesn't matter if your model is good if I have to use your software.

Does Claude not allow third party harnesses?

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Post by Terr_ »

jedberg wrote: post #186
Terr_ wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banks can't just ban you They kinda can. https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/seeing-like-a-bank/

Sure, but they have to give you your money back. They can't just keep the money.

I think in this context the concern isn't that you'll lose the money, but your loss of all legal/practical authentication mechanisms.

In other words, you leave the bank-branch with a big sack of cash... And then your car is impounded because you can't prove you're the owner or your license expires, and you'll live in a tent in the woods because landlords can't verify your credit/rental history, etc.

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