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Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by giancarlostoro »

hypfer wrote: post #374
intenex wrote: post #274

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

What does "AGI" or "effective AGI" even mean, and why should anyone even care whether this unclear thing has been "reached" or not? Computer chips got faster, but 2026 edition. Why the artificial ceiling/category/goal labelled "AGI"? I'd much rather like to talk about what this enables, instead of discussing whether a category someone made up applies here or not.

According to Sam Altman:

> AGI is essentially the equivalent of a median human that could be hired as a remote co-worker... capable of performing any task that one would be satisfied with a remote colleague doing via a computer.

So... unless you hear of a company replacing their workforce with OpenAI agents, I don't think we're there yet.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by John7878781 »

dalemhurley wrote: post #314

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

This is what Google needs to do and is probably why Demis has stepped back a bit

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by gavinray »

XCSme wrote: post #372

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

  > Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?
Live a life doing whatever makes you happy.

Post-work society is an inevitability if we don't destroy our planet.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by lenerdenator »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #346
mvkel wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it from the mouth of the creator of ARC-AGI: When we released ARC 3, I got asked, "when do you think a frontier model will saturate it?", and I answered "in about a year, though it depends on how much it gets explicitly targeted" That was 6 months ago, so the progress that Astra represents happened about 2x faster than I anticipated. I think the speed of progress will surprise a lot of people, and what the new m…

I feel like AGI's definition got watered down, and these tests do not cover the original definition, what is your definition and thoughts on aligning with what all of us understood from the original claim? I feel like this test is just helping someone like Sam Altman pretend like he implemented AGI as originally pitched for an IPO when in fact, he has not. Shameful. > AGI is essentially the equivalent of a median hum…

I wonder if Altman's definition also includes taking on the same liability as a coworker would.

Probably not.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

jdprgm wrote: post #320

Is anyone else just exhausted by the pace of all this. The models change constantly and relentlessly and so does the pricing, basically weekly at this point between all the labs. It feels nearly impossible to have any rigorous approach when choosing a particular model and price point for a task and more like blindly picking one. The time period needed to actually get familiar with various models to a degree you can i…

Fire and motion, Joel Spolsky blogged about this:

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by worldsavior »

Yajirobe wrote: post #363
Chinjut wrote: post #354

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

AGI-level model is perpetually 18 months away. Your job will be fine.

So what will happen in 18 months?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by embedding-shape »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #386
dalemhurley wrote: post #314

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

Its funny, my experience with Sol has been awful. It really overworks problems and tracks into areas it does not need to... I just dont get how its good for some, and bad for others. It makes me suspect that the models performance is not even against problem sets and it really is just a probabilistic prediction machine. Which then makes me very skeptical of GPT-6 Astra, because if their big claim is Computer Use then…

It is funny indeed, people sometimes with same amount of experience with software development, get vastly different experiences from different models and harnesses.

> I just dont get how its good for some, and bad for others.

If I were to listen to my hunch, it would tell me that it's all up to the prompts that ends up going over the wire (including all the bloat some people have), what workflow/process you use and what the existing state of the project is.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by alasano »

redox99 wrote: post #324
udbhavs wrote: post #242

I remember when GPT-4 came out and the perceived performance upgrade seemed underwhelming for a major release compared to 3.5, especially how there were graphics going around showing the parameter size dwarfing the last model before it came out. It looked like we were past the perceivable differences from release to release that were immediately identifiable. Now the jump between 5 to 5.5 and 5.6 alone has changed ho…

The jump from 3.5 to 4 felt gigantic to me back then. GPT 5.0 did feel underwhelming though.

GPT 4 to 5.5 felt about the same as 3.5 to 4 to me.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by gavinray »

Chinjut wrote: post #354

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

  > How will we make a living?
Swap to a career path that requires physical automation, since we're still about 10-20 years out on that front.

My backup plan is being a personal trainer.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by brindidrip »

Chinjut wrote: post #354

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

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