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Post by worldsavior »

Yajirobe wrote: post #360
Chinjut wrote: post #351

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

AGI-level model is perpetually 18 months away. Your job will be fine.

So what will happen in 18 months?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by embedding-shape »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #381
dalemhurley wrote: post #312

OpenAI is killing it now that they are more focused. Killing projects like Sora et al have seen it go from irrelevant to level footing with Anthropic. Sol is so much better than Fable 5. Then we get Astra (yet to use it) few days after Fable 5.1 (which is very impressive). Codex is slightly better than Claude Code. Good on Sam Altman getting back to basics and turning OpenAI around.

Its funny, my experience with Sol has been awful. It really overworks problems and tracks into areas it does not need to... I just dont get how its good for some, and bad for others. It makes me suspect that the models performance is not even against problem sets and it really is just a probabilistic prediction machine. Which then makes me very skeptical of GPT-6 Astra, because if their big claim is Computer Use then…

It is funny indeed, people sometimes with same amount of experience with software development, get vastly different experiences from different models and harnesses.

> I just dont get how its good for some, and bad for others.

If I were to listen to my hunch, it would tell me that it's all up to the prompts that ends up going over the wire (including all the bloat some people have), what workflow/process you use and what the existing state of the project is.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by alasano »

redox99 wrote: post #321
udbhavs wrote: post #240

I remember when GPT-4 came out and the perceived performance upgrade seemed underwhelming for a major release compared to 3.5, especially how there were graphics going around showing the parameter size dwarfing the last model before it came out. It looked like we were past the perceivable differences from release to release that were immediately identifiable. Now the jump between 5 to 5.5 and 5.6 alone has changed ho…

The jump from 3.5 to 4 felt gigantic to me back then. GPT 5.0 did feel underwhelming though.

GPT 4 to 5.5 felt about the same as 3.5 to 4 to me.

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by gavinray »

Chinjut wrote: post #351

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

  > How will we make a living?
Swap to a career path that requires physical automation, since we're still about 10-20 years out on that front.

My backup plan is being a personal trainer.

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Post by brindidrip »

Chinjut wrote: post #351

What is going to become of life for those of us who do not work at AI labs and are unlikely to be hired by AI labs, despite all the years we put into learning coding, math, etc, as we were told to do? Those of us who made the mistake of studying anything other than machine learning. How will we make a living? (We don't live in a world that seems likely to distribute gains widely instead of largely to the handful of a…

Learn to fish.

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Post by paxys »

XCSme wrote: post #368

It's fun, but every new model release makes me even less interested to create cool stuff. Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?

Is there a point in playing Chess or Go when you know there's a computer out there that can beat you (and everyone else)?

Re: GPT-6 Astra

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Post by balefulboy »

mvkel wrote: post #290
intenex wrote: post #272

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

Take it from the mouth of the creator of ARC-AGI: When we released ARC 3, I got asked, "when do you think a frontier model will saturate it?", and I answered "in about a year, though it depends on how much it gets explicitly targeted" That was 6 months ago, so the progress that Astra represents happened about 2x faster than I anticipated. I think the speed of progress will surprise a lot of people, and what the new m…

Well it's not exactly saturated when OAI refused to use the harness explicitly provided by ARC-AGI. I'm not really familiar enough with the benchmark to declare whether it's a perfect measure for AGI, but I kind of doubt it is.

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Post by yoz-y »

intenex wrote: post #272

The ARC-AGI-3 scorecard is extremely misleading given that it clearly states itself that "with [the responses API] harness, we estimate Sol would score in the ballpark of ~30%." but it shows a score of 7.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol presumably since if they updated the percentage for GPT-5.6 Sol to the score it would receive with the responses API harness they used for GPT-6 Astra they'd have to do the same for the percentage…

At this point? I’d like it to pass the Turing test and catch you in obvious lies. Not answering “no” to “can you hear me”.

It being able to comfortably say “i don’t know how to do this” rather than boiling and ocean to pick a shell from the shore without getting wet.

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Post by smcleod »

jdprgm wrote: post #317

Is anyone else just exhausted by the pace of all this. The models change constantly and relentlessly and so does the pricing, basically weekly at this point between all the labs. It feels nearly impossible to have any rigorous approach when choosing a particular model and price point for a task and more like blindly picking one. The time period needed to actually get familiar with various models to a degree you can i…

The new releases and breakthroughs do the opposite for me - I feel energised by them. I felt like nothing truly that interesting had happened in tech for quite some time, now it's like the space race (except there is no one moon to reach).

I appreciate boring tech as much as the next well worn engineer and I'm not saying this is all positive but it's so sure as hell thrilling and you don't have to be an astronaut to immediately benefit (or suffer I guess) from it.

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