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Three sites made 215,128 “best software” pages for AI. Perplexity cites them

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Re: Three sites made 215,128 “best software” pages for AI. Perplexity cites them

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Post by eru »

The_Blade wrote: post #81
dgellow wrote: post #74

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A bit different, but one thing I’ve seen is models repackaging Reddit slop. Like, it will do a search, find a Reddit thread somewhat related where someone in a comment casually mentioned incorrect information that any human would have dismissed. The model takes that as granted, but expands on it and present it as a well established fact, presented in a very plausible fashion. In general I don’t find models to be good…

i actively assume it is worse since, for example, spez signed a 60 million dollar deal to give Google access to the firehose. so then if you have niche, highly engaged subreddits infested by AI bots creating posts, then commenting on posts, then being trained on that content... you have Ouroburos eating its own poop, and models have less then zero incentive to evaluate the quality of a source, especially if they are…

Why do they have a negative incentive to evaluate the quality? Users like high quality sources and can freely move between models offered by different companies.

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Post by fer »

SoftTalker wrote: post #59
mstaoru wrote: post #47

Well it's not only this, or protection from LLMs training on LLM output. LLMs training on human output is also problematic. I was traveling to an obscure small town, doing some "research" with LLMs beforehand. Every and each one told me enthusiastically to go to "Foobar square" (name changed) for the "best street food in XYZ town", some added a lot of colorful details. There was no Foobar square in XYZ town. There wa…

I think this was a common game on city/town subs. It happened here, there was a post asking for a good restaurant and someone just made up a name. It went viral and people started posting made-up menus for the place, reviews, and for a couple of months any time someone asked about a restaurant this fictional place would get mentioned. It was all done as a joke to see if they could get Gemini or ChatGPT to start recom…

A friend did some vandalism on Wikipedia 20 years ago (!), and yet, LLMs quote his "original research".

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Post by mschuster91 »

ChoGGi wrote: post #234
mschuster91 wrote: post #200

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Because the pro-Palestine folks just love to drag their pet peeve into literally everything [1]. [1] https://techforpalestine.org/vercel

Not liking companies that support genocide is a pet peeve?

It isn't even a settled question that there is a genocide.

Anyway, my issue with them is that they love to derail every debate on the internet by injecting their personal gripes regarding the conflict.

Sure, there are a bunch of morons on the Zionist side as well, but in general, barely anyone spams about the topic on Mamdani related news for example.

In a thread about the conflict, yeah, debating the conflict is on topic. But in a thread that has zero business dealing with the conflict at all and just casually mentions a company that happens to be active in Israel? Now that is (for me) pure derailing.

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Post by KoftaBob »

mschuster91 wrote: post #243
ChoGGi wrote: post #234

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Not liking companies that support genocide is a pet peeve?

It isn't even a settled question that there is a genocide. Anyway, my issue with them is that they love to derail every debate on the internet by injecting their personal gripes regarding the conflict. Sure, there are a bunch of morons on the Zionist side as well, but in general, barely anyone spams about the topic on Mamdani related news for example. In a thread about the conflict, yeah, debating the conflict is on…

> It isn't even a settled question that there is a genocide.

Israel themselves seem pretty settled on it:

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260902-israel-orga...

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Post by mschuster91 »

KoftaBob wrote: post #244
mschuster91 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't even a settled question that there is a genocide. Anyway, my issue with them is that they love to derail every debate on the internet by injecting their personal gripes regarding the conflict. Sure, there are a bunch of morons on the Zionist side as well, but in general, barely anyone spams about the topic on Mamdani related news for example. In a thread about the conflict, yeah, debating the conflict is on…

> It isn't even a settled question that there is a genocide. Israel themselves seem pretty settled on it: https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260902-israel-orga...

That's election blathering, it's less than two months and as the Israeli (far-)right is looking for a serious defeat [1], they are trying to mobilize their respective bases.

Especially the ultraorthodox crowd is going to get hit hard, the rest of Israel is extremely pissed off at them due to their insistence on not having to serve in the military.

And let me be clear: all of those currently in power in Israel deserve a court trial and a lengthy prison term for incitement of racial hatred, and everyone in charge of the military and police a war crimes investigation.

[1] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/09/02/i...

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Post by dylan604 »

deepsun wrote: post #204
kqr wrote: post #171

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I noticed this when I tried to get LLMs to play text adventures. Early on in my experiments, I wanted to give them hints when they got stuck at a puzzle. I did this by stopping the loop, injecting thoughts into the LLMs own persistent scratchpad (as if it had thought of that itself), and then starting the loop up again.[1] That way, the LLM would read what it had intended to remember from the previous turn including…

Imagine telling a person something that goes contrary to their conditioning, to their beliefs. They would tend to dismiss it completely and choose not to take it into account, even while knowing it's true.

This is widely visible as a very real thing and why charlatans are able to be charlatans. Not sure why it is phrased as something that needs to be imagined

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Post by evilfred »

mstaoru wrote: post #47

Well it's not only this, or protection from LLMs training on LLM output. LLMs training on human output is also problematic. I was traveling to an obscure small town, doing some "research" with LLMs beforehand. Every and each one told me enthusiastically to go to "Foobar square" (name changed) for the "best street food in XYZ town", some added a lot of colorful details. There was no Foobar square in XYZ town. There wa…

LLMs have no sense of truth, they are just next token generators

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Post by evilfred »

thephyber wrote: post #133
mstaoru wrote: post #47

Well it's not only this, or protection from LLMs training on LLM output. LLMs training on human output is also problematic. I was traveling to an obscure small town, doing some "research" with LLMs beforehand. Every and each one told me enthusiastically to go to "Foobar square" (name changed) for the "best street food in XYZ town", some added a lot of colorful details. There was no Foobar square in XYZ town. There wa…

Your one example doesn't make all of LLMs a lie. It's like someone reading a National Enquirer article about "Hillary Clinton being an alien from outer space" (a real headline topic from decades ago) and drawling the conclusion that all journalism is "a lie". The user has to understand media literacy and be at least a little skeptical of the claims that are made, then cross reference with another source.

by what mechanism do you believe LLMs verify truth? they are amoral token generators

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Post by [deleted] »

vetler wrote: post #233
thephyber wrote: post #133

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Your one example doesn't make all of LLMs a lie. It's like someone reading a National Enquirer article about "Hillary Clinton being an alien from outer space" (a real headline topic from decades ago) and drawling the conclusion that all journalism is "a lie". The user has to understand media literacy and be at least a little skeptical of the claims that are made, then cross reference with another source.

> Your one example doesn't make all of LLMs a lie. It's not a lie though, because the truth isn't guaranteed by the mechanism that generates the answer.

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Post by rhyperior »

latexr wrote: post #215
locknitpicker wrote: post #63

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> And it's all because of ads. Not really. A while ago there was a news piece stating that Israel was behind a series of fake think-tanks with very accessible websites which were created with the express purpose of feeding AI agents with alternative facts aligned with their foreign policy. If anyone has the link at hand, please post it.

> alternative facts Let’s please not revive that term, it has done enough harm. From its inception, it has just been a way to make falsehoods sounds legitimate. Even the person who came up with it seemed to be swallowing a whole toad while speaking it for the first time.

Then call them what they are - lies.
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