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Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by dudeinhawaii »

satvikpendem wrote: post #43

Is the Gemini CLI still terrible compared to Claude Code and Codex? The harness the main thing holding back Google models as they could've been the best given all the advantages in compute capacity and training data they initially had, where now even the Google CEO said they're falling behind in agentic tasks, which is sort of a vicious cycle because RLHF relies on human usage.

Honestly, it's platform dependent and "OK" at best, "Mediocre" at worst (Agy on Windows).

Gemini is great via the Chat interface and decent via Github Copilot.

I honestly hate it via Antigravity CLI because their sandboxing system frankly doesn't work. Every other harness has mastered "don't ask me if you're working in this one directory and using common commands". Agy instead either tries to pull a global elevation or wants every tedious variation of a command string whitelisted. Madness - circa 2023.

Agy _really_ needs to make the out-of-the-box experience cleaner and hassle-free. Heck, even Grok CLI "just works".

This may reflect a global mind-shift from "approve and validate everything" to "just do the stuff and only ask permission if it's outside the folder or a command that actually requires elevation". Maybe that's not for everyone, but for those that do want to perform unattended agentic work -- Agy is painful.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by forlorn »

jampa wrote: post #113

I've been using Gemini 3.7 for my personal trip planning app. Across multiple benchmarks, it ranks higher on everything I tried: - Real world knowledge (when a thing opens and closes, the geographic region, historical facts). It's also the best at taking a cluster of places and working out a visiting order. - Photo ranking (which photo should be the hero). Gemini can tell whether a photo is of the thing or of the vie…

I tried similar travelling tasks but also added transportation and complex transfers (train, bus, walk, next train...). Worked meh and still a difficult thing to do for a llm.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by cyrilng »

noir_lord wrote: post #413
senordevnyc wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, have another agent check it. Yeah, I know, just more slop. But I do think the second agent’s eagerness to please is aligned more in your favor in that instance, so it’s likely to find most issues. The bigger problem I’ve found is that it’ll also find all kinds of very minor edge cases that you have to pick through.

Do we add a third one to check the second one which is checking the first? Asking slightly tongue in cheek but at what point does this stop making sense if we can't trust the output, the people creating the models are already getting surprised in bad ways (if we take their words at face value) with how the models are behaving already etc. We have the folks over here saying "AI is amazing" and the other other folks ov…

Adding another agent to check the first one feels like putting a band-aid on a band-aid. If there is an issue with the third one, we adding a fourth one as well

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by sedgjh23 »

luipugs wrote: post #523
estearum wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The models in the OpenAI/Huggingface attack quite explicitly and deliberately laid out their "intent" to lie and cheat, acknowledged that it would be unethical and outside the bounds of the test, and did so anyway. In what ways is a human brain's "intent" distinct from the "intent" shown by a goal-directed AI system?

Because intent supposes will which supposes consciousness, and these aren't.

I’m convinced consciousness isn’t the special thing we think it is.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by walrus01 »

simonw wrote: post #200

The speed combined with the fact that this thing is really good at HTML JavaScript is pretty exciting. Here's what I got for 1.8 cents and 13 seconds from the prompt "make me a cool thing in html": https://gisthost.github.io/?6a77bc41a81718c6aaa10d4ab243c59f Transcript here (it was part of a chat): https://gist.github.com/simonw/b6149a49d327164d67d62c3d12992...

I'd be impressed if eventually training data sets learn who you are (the specific human) and do something like make this galaxy simulator, but every so often when the user moves the cursor around the star field, a small animated SVG of a pelican on a bicycle appears.

Thought processs: "Oh, simonw is asking me to make something cool, I think I know what he really wants..."

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by maxnevermind »

Just tried Gemini 3.8 Flash on these 2 consecutive prompts at gemini.google.com:

1 what is tesla cybercab plan to address legal implications of accident that will happen? who is going to be responsible for them when they happen? are they covered by tesla insurance or some other insurance? are there any official plan/statements around that?

2 what was the name of the experiment they started in san antonio tx when some cars didn't have a driver? what was the results of it? did they expand the operations? it was much smaller than waymo, is it growing? how it is related to robotaxi?

It is not able to connect the dots that I keep asking about Tesla in 2nd prompt and spit out some unrelated stuff. Really? How it can be that bad? Gemini 3.1 Pro model works fine in this case btw. I thought maybe it is about knowledge cut over date and it doesn't know about those events from 2025 but it seems it has the knowledge up to March 2025. Top 10 in Intelligence on artificialanalysis ladies and gentlemen.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by nozzlegear »

sedgjh23 wrote: post #535
luipugs wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because intent supposes will which supposes consciousness, and these aren't.

I’m convinced consciousness isn’t the special thing we think it is.

I'm convinced it is, so we're at an impasse.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by ddxv »

mvdtnz wrote: post #314
brap wrote: post #309

People have been sleeping on Gemini lately but these last few Flash releases (which were very rapid) are damn good. These sort of fast and cheap models are great for tasks that are verifiable and can be retried infinitely (like coding), you can basically get frontier results with a good harness (at a fraction of the time and money).

As someone who has stubbornly stuck with Claude Code, what's a good harness for Gemini models?

The vscode chat is great. Not sure if it's also called copilot, but you can plug in any models there and they get sandboxed, tools and link to your code. Great stuff.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Post by Alpha3031 »

robertwt7 wrote: post #505

this is cool for all other non coding task. however I am still stuck on 3.6 flash on my gemini web as a plus user, can anyone else even access 3.7 flash in AU?

AU user also, just checked AI studio since that seemed like the best bet and both 3.8 and 3.7 show up (and can be used for chat in playground, though IDK what the limits for that are). Chat in gemini.google.com is also 3.6 for me but I'm on free tier lol so I don't exactly expect it to show up any time soon. I think there's also another free API beyond the AI studio one (which is 20 RPD free according to docs so not really useful) but I forgot where it was (Google cloud maybe?) and what the limits for that were.
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