Live data from Hacker News

I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

ploum.net

151–160 of 267 posts

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#151
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word "requirements" is doing a lot of work there. I've never met a QR code where scanning it was required of me.

So you'd leave the restaurant if it has a QR menu?

If they wouldn't find another to help me? Absolutely. I can't imagine I couldn't just ask the server a question like "what's cheap and good?" or "I'll take the soup of the day."

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#152
> I still keep in a drawer an old OnePlus 5 I bought in 2017 with a pristine Android system.

How pristine is that when the last supported Android version is 10?

> This phone is sometimes necessary. Like when a known bug in /e/OS prevented my banking app from working for several months.

This surprises me. Until very recently I was using a phone I bought in 2017, which similarly supports no Android beyond version 10.

Since early this year, my bank app started insisting that I upgrade my Android to 11 or higher, and hence stopped working.

More recently, Gmail also started insisting I upgrade Android. As a result I had to get a new phone, which in many ways is worse than my old phone (still 7.2" but worse aspect ratio, no more full fingerprint sensor and much worse battery life).

So the idea of keeping an old phone around in order to bank seems rather odd to me.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#153
post #15

> "I don’t have a smartphone," is what I tell people and professionals nowadays I did this today too. I happened to walk past a branch of my bank, and remembered my debit card is playing up due to wear-and-tear, so I popped in to order a replacement. I made the request and the first response was "do you have our banking app, you can do it on there?". "No". It wasn't even busy. (I also happen to have my mortgage with…

> I happened to walk past a branch of my bank, and remembered my debit card is playing up due to wear-and-tear, so I popped in to order a replacement. I made the request and the first response was "do you have our banking app, you can do it on there?". "No".

I switched banks over something similar.

I'd had an account with Wells Fargo (and before that with First Interstate before Wells Fargo bought them), dating all the way back to when I was a kid. I'd used that account for everything, for 20+ years, and kept all my assets in there.

I regularly went into the branch to do certain transactions, like making deposits or withdrawals, for any number of reasons. (This was long before you could do any kind of remote check deposit.)

And the teller decided to provide an overt reminder suggesting to do this via the ATM rather than talking to a teller.

That day, I requested a cashier's check for my entire balance, and went to another bank to put it in my account there.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#154
post #24

> They are willing to accept all the conditions of your apps, including sending you personal data, registering an account, etc. I've had this exact problem this morning, I wanted to download the ASD-STE100 https://www.asd-ste100.org/STE_downloads.html#article02-2l and they use a request form to get the download. Unfortunately the last question: > Do you consent to us collecting your data? This form has the only purpo…

So you filled out a form with your personal data and were about to press the submit button to send it to them, but you don't consent to them knowing that data about you? It seems the checkbox had its intended effect of serving as a double-check gate about whether you really want them to know that information.

Strange as it might seem, I just wanted to download a spec, not be added to any database. regardless of their uses. Is that too much to ask ?

Any anyway, my biggest gripe was the phrasing, don't say it as if I have a choice.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Not having any banking apps on my phone. Every time my son needs a few bucks in his account, my wife has to do it if we're out. This is the most tyrannical things about smart phones -- banking apps. I get it, the bank wants to ensure the platform is not a liability. But it forces most of us to use one of the only two "trusted" mobile providers on earth: Google or Apple, both of which are American (and I'm an Amer…

Many work on GrapheneOS

I realize this is true. This is more of a personal choice since apps like Venmo can still track you on Graphene:

GrapheneOS does not strip proprietary tracking code embedded directly inside third-party apps like Venmo. If you log into Venmo, the app collects your financial activity, device analytics, and interactions

Venmo requires a verified account tied to your real identity, phone number, and bank account, meaning the service already knows who you are regardless of your operating system.

Venmo can see your IP address and any location data you permit the app to access, or data derived from your connection

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#156

I do have a smartphone, but I don't seem to feel the pain the author feels about being inundated by QR codes and apps. Maybe I have all the apps I need already? Maybe I just don't mind having an app on my phone because I know that I can set it to basically never bother me. Most of my apps have notifications silenced. My home screen is empty, save the handful of apps I do want. And for the little bit of effort I put f…

I don't think he's complaining about having a lot of apps, or the ability to have a lot of apps. He's complaining about being required to use apps for hundreds of small interactions every day that don't, or shouldn't, require an app. And he's correct. Companies are doing this not because they think it's better, but because they believe that if they can worm their way onto your device, and insert their cloud service (…

Maybe I'm in a tech desert, but I can't remember the last time I was required to use an app for anything. It's a convenient option for my grocery store loyalty card, certain restaurant menus, my HVAC system, etc., but not mandatory. I've heard of restaurants that have no physical menus but I haven't come across one myself.

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#157
It's a great read! I especially liked the list of assumptions people/companies are making about their interlocutors, when demanding that they install and use smartphone apps.

> "I don’t have a smartphone," is what I tell people and professionals nowadays. This allows me to cut the crap about companies insisting that I install their app or restaurants wishing that I scan a QR code to access their menu on a small screen.

I personally tend to be a bit more direct about this kind of thing. If someone trying to sell me something insists that I need an app, I often say “I am not willing to install or use your app.”

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#158
post #126
post #15

> "I don’t have a smartphone," is what I tell people and professionals nowadays I did this today too. I happened to walk past a branch of my bank, and remembered my debit card is playing up due to wear-and-tear, so I popped in to order a replacement. I made the request and the first response was "do you have our banking app, you can do it on there?". "No". It wasn't even busy. (I also happen to have my mortgage with…

Did you consider if they were trying maybe just to save you the trip/inconvenience in the future by informing you of something most people would be able to use?

Yes, of course. That would be more believable if it were a comment at the end of the transaction along the lines of "just in case you want to save time next time, our app has the feature"

But immediately responding before I've barely finished explaining why I'm here today is a real "fuck you, use the app and stop wasting my time" kind of message

Re: I don't have a smartphone or at least I wish I didn't

#160

I've still never had a smartphone (technically my flip phone, a Kyocera Dura, is an android device, but it can't install apps so I'll consider it suitably "dumb") Occasionally I need to tote along a tablet because several places (some MLB venues, for one thing) will either require a smartphone, or impose a severe surcharge for the convenience of not using it. Anyway, I really regret that we didn't impose dumbphone pr…

The problem is not smartphones per se. They are very handy. They eliminate the need to carry a thick wallet full of physical ID cards, credit cards, membership/discount cards, etc. They help you if you are lost (who even gets lost anymore, with navigation and maps in your pocket). They let you access information and entertainment wherever you are.

The problem is the tracking and invasion of privacy, and that all traces back to ads.

Ads are at the root of all the problems with the modern internet and mobile tech.

Post reply on HN