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Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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I don't use Gemini, but I thought `cool, let's give this new model a try`. Opened gemini.google.com, and I'm not even surprised. The drop down gives me the following options: - Flash-Lite - 3.6 Flash [new] - 3.1 Pro The above is why i don't use LLM products from Google. If the model is not available right this minute (heck, hours before the release!), then I'm not gonna bother getting back to it tomorrow, because tom…

The android Gemini app defaults to 3.8 flash already.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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The most interesting thing about the Gemini models is still their multi-modal support: they accept audio and video input, OpenAI and Anthropic's flagships are still image-only. Gemini Flash is also pretty cheap, so it's a great family for performing media analysis, like extracting structured data from images and video.

Yeah we use it a lot for analysing streams and clipping content. As well as analysing social content that gets put out.

We transcode everything to 480p before we send it to Gemini batch api. Works great

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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The rumor is that 3.9 is an equal improvement in all directions, and that it should be another fast follow on like 3.7 and 3.8 were. It's almost across the board better than Terra at less than half the price. 3.9 is likely to approach Sol at the 1/10th the price. Hopefully OpenAI releases Astra first, and it's not only better than Sol but significantly cheaper, too.

Curious where did you hear this rumor?

All the talk on Reddit on Gemini 3.8 discussions: https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=gemini+3.9&cId=1650e403-bcf...

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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I don’t know if you’re joking, but I don’t see anything in the linked tweet which suggests that is the case

Watch the video. It's from then-Gemini-lead Jeff Dean and the video shows off an animated pelican riding a bicycle, a frog on a penny-farthing, a giraffe driving a tiny car, an ostrich on roller skates, a turtle kickflipping a skateboard, and a dachshund driving a stretch limousine.

I'm confused. This doesn't mean they trained on it.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Am I the only only one thinking that Google might still "win" the AI race, despite the apparent gap? They're apparently evolving slower than most SOTA models but "slow and steady wins the race" is probably still a thing. And since Google doesn't depend exclusively on AI models, they can probably afford to "wait and see" where all this craze is heading.

i always thought alphabet’s own youtube videos must be a comparatively good source of new training data. if slop and other garbage is reliably filtered out it should leave plenty of higher quality content.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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If by reckless you mean commit, push, deploy without me asking it to, the I agree!

Respectfully: If it's able to deploy without you asking it to, that's a you problem. There are no safeguards?

100% my problem, but it's the only model I tried that does that so recklessly

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Same here. I see so many people obsessing over the latest most state of the art bleeding edge models and yelling at Google for not being there, but I feel like the vast majority of people don't actually need those models. Flash has just been super useful and incredibly fast in my experience.

I prefer luna for most development, especially when I am guiding the process. Sometimes terra. I have had terrible results coding with sol. It is way over-tuned on RL to make something that completes the task, no matter what. I end up with way too much code that does a lot of things I didn't ask for.

I love Luna too. An excellent model and still usually better value per dollar than Gemini if you pay for API tokens. Things may change with 3.8 - we'll know soon.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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People have been sleeping on Gemini lately but these last few Flash releases (which were very rapid) are damn good.

These sort of fast and cheap models are great for tasks that are verifiable and can be retried infinitely (like coding), you can basically get frontier results with a good harness (at a fraction of the time and money).

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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You're so upset that you have to invent an imaginary hypothesis to make yourself feel better.

Yes, very imaginary to think that the code comes from pretrained data and copy pasting whole blocks. It's not like this is exactly how LLMs work.

Are you a frequent user of LLMs? That "copy pasting whole blocks" mental model doesn't hold up to regular usage, in my opinion.
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