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FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by bigbuppo »

packetlost wrote: post #196
thephyber wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, a facetious jab at legitimate criticisms of Voter ID laws. It's worth pointing out that the point of contact for state IDs is the DMV, which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint. If, instead, it was done at USPS offices or even by postal workers on their routes, no one would complain. It's entirely about whether the burden is placed on the citizen to maintain their Constitutionally guarantee…

> which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint I always find DMV (or whatever your state's equivalent) inefficiency arguments to be hilarious. They're run extremely efficiently for the government . They suck use because of that (long wait times, most important stuff gets shipped by mail weeks later).

I live in Misissippi. The last time I had to go in-person for a license renewal I was in and out in less than 10 minutes because they had automated kiosks. Then again, Mississippi is a progressive state.

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Post by jeffbee »

gnuplustoejam wrote: post #228
jeffbee wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are about 600,000 American citizens alive today who lack traceable documentation of their birth due to Jim Crow policies.

We have plenty of naturalized immigrants with no traceable documentation of their birth because they grew up in the middle of nowhere. Somehow this wasn't a problem for them, while whites-only water fountains still live rent-free in your mind. Following your logic, no problem is solvable until you have eliminated all potential issues and outliers. No startups would ever get off the ground with that attitude.

I'm all for solving problems, but I am not for committing a major disenfranchisement under cover of solving a non-problem. People who want to just ram through voter ID laws without solving the problem of undocumented citizens can't be treated as serious members of society.

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by autoexec »

packetlost wrote: post #196
thephyber wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, a facetious jab at legitimate criticisms of Voter ID laws. It's worth pointing out that the point of contact for state IDs is the DMV, which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint. If, instead, it was done at USPS offices or even by postal workers on their routes, no one would complain. It's entirely about whether the burden is placed on the citizen to maintain their Constitutionally guarantee…

> which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint I always find DMV (or whatever your state's equivalent) inefficiency arguments to be hilarious. They're run extremely efficiently for the government . They suck use because of that (long wait times, most important stuff gets shipped by mail weeks later).

> I always find DMV (or whatever your state's equivalent) inefficiency arguments to be hilarious. They're run extremely efficiently for the government.

It's real funny until they pass a law that says you need an ID to vote and then immediately close the only DMV anywhere near where you live specifically because they want to keep you and your neighbors from voting (https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-called-investigate-alabama-d...)

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

packetlost wrote: post #196
thephyber wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, a facetious jab at legitimate criticisms of Voter ID laws. It's worth pointing out that the point of contact for state IDs is the DMV, which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint. If, instead, it was done at USPS offices or even by postal workers on their routes, no one would complain. It's entirely about whether the burden is placed on the citizen to maintain their Constitutionally guarantee…

> which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint I always find DMV (or whatever your state's equivalent) inefficiency arguments to be hilarious. They're run extremely efficiently for the government . They suck use because of that (long wait times, most important stuff gets shipped by mail weeks later).

I've found that the speed of the DMV seems to vary wildly by state, and possibly even city and location, based on anecdotes.

Earlier this year, my license was expiring and I decided to get a Real ID. I was able to create an appointment on the Oregon DMV website. It was set for 10 AM. I got there at 9:50 and checked in. My name was called up at only a couple minutes after my appointment time. I gave my documents and paid, then was instructed to wait by the camera area for my picture. I had barely sat down when my name was called. They took my picture, and I was all set. I was out the door by 10:15. Pretty sure my ID then came in the mail only about a week later.

So when people talk about long waits, I don't know what they're talking about. Maybe their state just sucks.

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by DANmode »

megagpt5 wrote: post #80
DANmode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Negligence is already illegal. Just locate a prosecutor.

Negligence isn't a crime in itself. It is an explanation or cause for other crimes. And there is nothing illegal in the US about selling pictures of people's drivers licenses.

> there is nothing illegal in the US about selling pictures of people's drivers licenses.

18 U.S.C. § 1028 makes certain transfers involving identification documents criminal. It specifically covers a driver's license or personal identification card and provides enhanced penalties for transferring such documents.

1028 expressly recognizes electronic transfer as satisfying its interstate-commerce requirement.

What are you talking about?

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by DANmode »

megagpt5 wrote: post #80
DANmode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Negligence is already illegal. Just locate a prosecutor.

Negligence isn't a crime in itself. It is an explanation or cause for other crimes. And there is nothing illegal in the US about selling pictures of people's drivers licenses.

> Negligence isn't a crime in itself. It is an explanation or cause for other crimes.

Correct, like being criminally negligent of a child, if you leak data through long-known vectors (for argument’s sake), one could argue you are criminally negligent in securing the private data.

It doesn’t really go that way, often, now.

It could, as more e.g. water treatment and energy providing facilities get pwnd.

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by DANmode »

DaSHacka wrote: post #58
DANmode wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Negligence is already illegal. Just locate a prosecutor.

I'll sleep so much better at night when the company that'll leak my Social Security Number on the internet due to hosting a backup of a database that's assessible publicly gets fined $0.30 per SSN leaked. Hell, the execs may even briefly mention it once in the bi-hourly meeting about tomorrow's meeting's meeting, chuckling before moving onto the next slide.

Sounds like you’re not going to sleep well at night regardless, choosing to stick around for more of that.

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by [deleted] »

megagpt5 wrote: post #83
mulmen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had two active Clear subscriptions at the same time. How did an identity verification company not know both accounts were the same person? They were both using the same credit card! What does an "identity verification" company even do?

> What does an "identity verification" company even do? Handles the multitude of ID document standards around the world while providing a simple Boolean flag to websites that are required to check if you're an adult.

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Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by autoexec »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #39

If there was some kind of fixed minimum compensation - even a single dollar per affected person - and strict liability (doesn't matter how you allegedly did everything to protect the data, if it leaked it's on you), companies would suddenly be very motivated to a) secure b) minimize the data they hold. Without penalties, e.g. Hertz has little reason not to keep 10+ years of drivers licenses just in case they come in…

Some companies have so much money that there's no fine which would ever be punitive enough to matter to them. I'd bet jail time for executives could be extremely effective though.

Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by [deleted] »

packetlost wrote: post #196
thephyber wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, a facetious jab at legitimate criticisms of Voter ID laws. It's worth pointing out that the point of contact for state IDs is the DMV, which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint. If, instead, it was done at USPS offices or even by postal workers on their routes, no one would complain. It's entirely about whether the burden is placed on the citizen to maintain their Constitutionally guarantee…

> which is the butt of every government inefficiency complaint I always find DMV (or whatever your state's equivalent) inefficiency arguments to be hilarious. They're run extremely efficiently for the government . They suck use because of that (long wait times, most important stuff gets shipped by mail weeks later).

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