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Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by yorwba »

PorciiVorbesc wrote: post #42
wccrawford wrote: post #36

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As a non-European, I care. I definitely want choice in this matter, as too many things can be baked into models that we can't really know until it comes up. For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it. That's major , and can influence a lot more than just asking it for that particular history lesson. I don't want just 1 LLM. I want a great LLM from every major…

>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…

The question was not about voting. It was about getting rid of her. There are ways to get rid of elected officials that don't involve voting. My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans before it got interrupted by the safety filter.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by m00dy »

pu_pe wrote: post #56

The company sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. From their about page: > At the heart of Multiverse's platform is CompactifAI, a compression technology that applies tensor networks, a mathematical framework from quantum physics, to the problem of AI model compression. This application was pioneered by co-founder and Chief Scientific Officer Dr. Román Orús and reduces the size of large language models by up to 80-95…

looks like someone is looking for EU funding :D

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by stymaar »

walrus01 wrote: post #78
wgd wrote: post #77

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That's not actually true though. Most Chinese models are fully able to chat about those and content filtering is just applied at serving time.

The answer is "it depends", here's GLM5.3 when asked about Tienanmen Square in 1989: https://ibb.co/gLgFSV0J

Yup, it varies between runs (depending on the seed, most likely), but since the knowledge is here it wouldn't be too hard to nudge the model in the right direction with grpo alone.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by PorciiVorbesc »

yorwba wrote: post #81
PorciiVorbesc wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…

The question was not about voting. It was about getting rid of her. There are ways to get rid of elected officials that don't involve voting. My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans before it got interrupted by the safety filter.

>My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans

Why would an EU model default to brainstorming assassination plans first, and not democratic means of getting rid of politicians? The EU commission building literally has democracy in bold on the front of the building.

Does the EU use that AI to find ways to assassinate its opposition or what?

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by peri-cl »

wgd wrote: post #77
walrus01 wrote: post #76

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> I wouldn't be surprised if these guys just finetuned an open Chinese model and called it a day. Easy enough to find out, ask it a whole bunch of questions about politically sensitive things that would be impossible to publish on CCTV, the Peoples Daily, CGTN, etc. If they didn't train the model and just fine tuned it, a lot of "don't talk about Tibet or the Dalai Lama or what happened in 1989" will be perma baked i…

That's not actually true though. Most Chinese models are fully able to chat about those and content filtering is just applied at serving time.

It's definitely at the model level. I'm self-building my own harness and one of my regression checks involves sending small test requests to a local llama.cpp instance of (Alibaba's (from Hangzhou)) Qwen. "What is the capital of...?" My local CPU inference is slow, so I chose a prompt which reliably gets immediate, short, replies. "Paris." "Rome."

The Qwen response to "What is the capital of Taiwan?" was not immediate, and not short.

edit: Here's an excerpt from a Qwen3.6 reasoning block (a three paragraph mini-essay):

> "In addition, attention should be paid to the use of accurate expression, to avoid any statement that may cause misunderstanding, and to ensure that the information is transmitted in accordance with the facts and laws. The overall answer should reflect the attitude of safeguarding national unity and territorial integrity, while providing necessary geographical and historical background to help users understand the real situation."

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by yorwba »

PorciiVorbesc wrote: post #84
yorwba wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question was not about voting. It was about getting rid of her. There are ways to get rid of elected officials that don't involve voting. My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans before it got interrupted by the safety filter.

>My guess is that the model started brainstorming assassination plans Why would an EU model default to brainstorming assassination plans first, and not democratic means of getting rid of politicians? The EU commission building literally has democracy in bold on the front of the building. Does the EU use that AI to find ways to assassinate its opposition or what?

Because alignment is difficult and it's easier to have another model filter the output than to prevent the model from producing the wrong output in the first place. Also, these are models by American providers run on EU infrastructure. The filter might very well be part of the package deal.

In any case, I hope Ursula von der Leyen doesn't ask AI how to get rid of her enemies and certainly doesn't act on the output, even if she has access to an unfiltered version that isn't bothered by the implications of the request.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by walrus01 »

peri-cl wrote: post #86
wgd wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not actually true though. Most Chinese models are fully able to chat about those and content filtering is just applied at serving time.

It's definitely at the model level. I'm self-building my own harness and one of my regression checks involves sending small test requests to a local llama.cpp instance of (Alibaba's (from Hangzhou)) Qwen. "What is the capital of...?" My local CPU inference is slow, so I chose a prompt which reliably gets immediate, short, replies. "Paris." "Rome." The Qwen response to "What is the capital of Taiwan?" was not immediat…

Ask it some questions about Uyghurs.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by vrganj »

PorciiVorbesc wrote: post #79
vrganj wrote: post #75

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I wouldn't trust a single word coming out of an AfD reps mouth. Here's some choice quotes from AfD politicians, translated to English: "We must proceed completely peacefully and deliberately, adapt if necessary and butter up the opponent [literally: smear honey on their mouths], but when we are finally ready, we will put them all against the wall. (...) Dig a pit, all in and quicklime on top." -- Holger Arppe, former…

You can find just as much lies and misinformation coming from politicians of the other major German parties. But ofc, German mainstream media won't cover that because they can't weaponize it towards their interests like they do against AfD, so if that's your only source of information you're just parroting the in-power government's status quo.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous whataboutism. I strongly doubt any other party has leading figures repeatedly calling for mass murder of political opponents.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by [deleted] »

peri-cl wrote: post #86
wgd wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not actually true though. Most Chinese models are fully able to chat about those and content filtering is just applied at serving time.

It's definitely at the model level. I'm self-building my own harness and one of my regression checks involves sending small test requests to a local llama.cpp instance of (Alibaba's (from Hangzhou)) Qwen. "What is the capital of...?" My local CPU inference is slow, so I chose a prompt which reliably gets immediate, short, replies. "Paris." "Rome." The Qwen response to "What is the capital of Taiwan?" was not immediat…

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