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The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Is that what it is using to render and manipulate MS Office documents? That'd explain the poor rendering of some of my files. Bundling all of LibreOffice seems like a pretty huge dependency.

> Bundling all of LibreOffice seems like a pretty huge dependency What's the alternative library you see?

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Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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I don't see anything wrong with it, I just think it's interesting.

You aren't worried about the provenance of the installed apps?

How do you mean?

I trust OpenAI to have installed apps that at least work well enough for their intended purposes.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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But laws are just encodes morality.

Absolutely not. It was illegal to harbour escaped slaves. Or hide Jews from the Gestapo. Laws have nothing to do with morality. Or justice.

>It was illegal to harbour escaped slaves. Or hide Jews from the Gestapo.

Yes, of course. Morality is relative. In a slave-owning society, harbouring escaped slaves is immoral.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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post #71

There is a serious threat to Microsoft here, if everyone starts using AI for generating and updating Office docs. At some point Office will become just a viewer.

Likewise with PDF editing via AI. Way nicer than having to pay Adobe or some other shady software vendor for PDF editing ability.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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You aren't worried about the provenance of the installed apps?

How do you mean? I trust OpenAI to have installed apps that at least work well enough for their intended purposes.

You aren't worried that these binaries may have unfixed vulnerabilities?

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Personally, I like the 3-pane organization (sidebar, chat, browser). I turned ChatGPT into my bookkeeper and social post writing/kanban space, and it works well for these script+browser workflows on desktop. However, all of this is confusing: - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop - Chat/Work split on mobile - how you remotely access each chat from your phone (some of my most valuable chats are buried in Remote) - whic…

> - the ChatGPT/Codex split on desktop Do tell, cause I run the "ChatGPT" program on Windows to use both the normal Chat and Codex (side menu items). I think its a more recent change.

This is from a recent update, and I'm on macOS. I had to re-download it, not just update from within the app.

This new version has tabs for ChatGPT and Codex. The ChatGPT tab seems way less powerful; Codex is basically a coding agent with a UI and browser built in.

Pretty sure this is the old Codex app with the ChatGPT tab bolted on. It's great in some ways, but needs work in others.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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*that only microsoft has access to. These guys puposely obscure controls and understanding of these products 100% to prevent you doing a port. Just go open a microsoft word doc in the browser and look at the dom. Despair! Horror!

Especially when there are three different versions, and each has a different team, and they all can work together at the same time. Crazy amount of tech supporting it that breaks a humans context let alone a models context.

Yeah that's by far the most complex part.

Ever letter is it's own object and they stitch it into the visual view. When you type one letter is turns a single word into multiple objects all versioned objects.

Can't imagine all the crazy race condition protections baked into that.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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They're also great at powershell, you just need to tell it to do so. sh is neat but it's 55 years old, there are newer and better shell environment concepts out there and the robots can handle them well too, try it some time!

PowerShell unfortunately just isn't that first-class, even on Windows. You'll inevitably discover, if you do this, that certain things simply can't be automated via PowerShell, that some PowerShell modules wrap or lag behind older Windows CLI tools, that various things you want to do still require manual registry hacks, etc. Try starting from a blank slate Windows machine and making a commitment to only changing sett…

I'm not sure why reading and writing the registry is considered a bad interface for programmatic system administration.

I realize text files can be processed by utilities for working with text files. And text files can be read by humans without any tools, and in that sense are rather universal.

I wonder what I'm missing.

I'd go so far as to think an OS that had a database at its core, or perhaps a persistent lisp would be even more programmable and legible.

Maybe better tools for dealing with structured data would help this?

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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HOW DOES IT WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE?! Istg on windows, I can't get codex app, new chatgpt or chatgpt classic to work without hanging on even a moderately sized chat. I tried all of the different tricks people recommended but that shit just crawls. It was stable at some point, classic that is, but then it started being a laggy mess. I've uninstalled new chatgpt/codex app. I can't access phone chats on it, I can't use the…

Mac Neo can be had for $600 now, and it runs Codex incredibly well! But even on the Windows machine, if you Tailscale into a free tier VM for the workloads, you'd probably have a much better time. Just leave Codex itself on your machine, if you set up computer use it will happily set up all of this for you while you have lunch.

Do you have any tips for running Codex on the Macbook Neo? Have you changed any setting? On mine, it stutters on every single chat, and I don't even have any plugins installed.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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How do you mean? I trust OpenAI to have installed apps that at least work well enough for their intended purposes.

You aren't worried that these binaries may have unfixed vulnerabilities?

That's the nature of installing software.

I'd like to know OpenAI's approach to updating these things - their auto-updated is pretty aggressive already, but does that cover their vendored cached apps too?

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