Citadel had an employee take code, and had to use divers to recover it from a canal: https://www.businessinsider.com/yihao-ben-pu-citadel-2011-11
the amount of ads on this page oh lord
Apple reveals 'shocking evidence' from ex-employee's MacBook in OpenAI suit
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…
Really depends if company has some spyware installed. My work MacBook was just given me as plain new MacBook that I installed everything myself. Personal iCloud, work OneDrive, no corporate spyware
It’s always good at the beginning. What happens when you leave? Is the laptop yours? Theirs? Is this documented?
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
But when I said the exact same thing [0], people were talking about how it's their "culture" to use corporate laptops for personal usage, and I even got downvoted and flagged if you read the thread (turn showdead on in your HN settings). It's baffling indeed, but I guess people will learn the hard way, that companies can see everything you store and even type on there. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…
Really depends if company has some spyware installed. My work MacBook was just given me as plain new MacBook that I installed everything myself. Personal iCloud, work OneDrive, no corporate spyware
I have worked in 3 companies and none of them had installed anything on the work laptop. One IT department tried to, but I ignored all their messages. I would probably be pissed if I have to give up the right to work with privacy.
I had formatted the laptop both while getting it and returning it. I had filevault on and I wouldn't have shared my password.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/1101088/aucklan... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/second-auckland-police-officer... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/crime-and-justice/567348/revealed... It's not all sunshine and rainbows in our little country
I mean, the headline says "second". Anything greater than 0 is bad but seems a little short of a "plague".
The first link appears to say 22 cases. 12 have faced sanction.
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#165The claims: - Mr. Liu not only downloaded a confidential Apple circuit schematic but also used it in his work at OpenAI; - Far from his unauthorized access to Apple’s third-party cloud storage being unknown to him, Mr. Liu and others at OpenAI were well-aware of that access; - Mr. Liu, upon learning of Apple’s internal investigation of him, sent instructions for destroying evidence to an OpenAI colleague who confirme…
Good lord. Smart people doing the dumbest things with their work equipment. I have a former coworker who was the VP of Finance at my company. He suddenly got fired out of the blue. The company was in the midst of trying to find a buyer (this was announced) so this was extra surprising. Turns out, he knew a lot of bad news about the company, and they caught him looking for a job. They fired him because he was too much…
I worked at a pharmaceutical start-up years ago.
* one of our medicinal chemists had studied nights to become a patent agent (this isn't the bad part).
* he landed a pretty nice job at an IP firm with a considerable raise in his salary.
* we were _in the middle of his farewell party_ when the IT guy told the CEO that during the previous few days the chemist had printed our company's entire library of novel chemical structures and their associated biological activity data.
* in the moment, i had no idea what was happening, but i've never seen someone go from looking happy to absolutely miserable at their own farewell party.
* i do remember that my boss later said she wanted him frog-marched out of the building in handcuffs.
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#166> Apple argues that when trade secret information is fed into an AI agent or model that learns from it, that learning “may create irreversible and continually propagating uses of the trade secret.” This is somewhat of a high impact argument to test. I wonder if the case will eventually get to working this point out.
This is why many companies don't allow the use of AI programming, because it's currently unknown whether allowing AI to access your code can allow parts of it to be replicated elsewhere
When a company finally challenges it legally, it might finally answer that unknown for many companies
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am constantly dumb founded at the people who conduct deeply personal business on a company laptop. Some individuals do not even own their own computer. Has every job hunt they have pursued has been done on their previous employers equipment?
I have more personally owned computers than is reasonable, but I can understand people who get issued a company laptop and use it for everything. It’s a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a personal laptop and if you’re mostly accessing cloud services, I can easily understand the temptation to use a company laptop for it all.
I never worked on a job that company policy allowed for personal use.
Naturally there are enough to try to flex the rules, while hoping not to get caught.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have more personally owned computers than is reasonable, but I can understand people who get issued a company laptop and use it for everything. It’s a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a personal laptop and if you’re mostly accessing cloud services, I can easily understand the temptation to use a company laptop for it all.
Also, when you travel or even commute using public transport, you don't always want to carry two laptops around.
A tablet with Samsung Dex has replaced my travel netbook.
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#169Mr. Liu boasted that for his work at OpenAI, he was "[f]eeling AI all day long," and that "[i]n the past hour," his AI "agent learned how to run LTspice and look at result, tune compensation parameter." (Id. ¶¶ 20-22.) He further explained that he ran these simulations, including with AI agents, for power conversion development work: "I try to make a behavior buck. With voltage outer and current inner. Everything ideal. It still took me a day.. now it's two hour. Including learning fresh." (Id. Ex. A (recipient of these messages responding, "Oh man! Why do they even need you then?" i.e., at OpenAI).)
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#170I know it's unethical, but when I read this, I can't help but hope a pseudo-cleanroom/ai-laundered Linux GPU driver appears for MacBooks. What I wouldn't give to run Linux on my Apple hardware.
How about Asahi? Or is your hardware too new for it to apply.