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The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by doc_ick »

vb-8448 wrote: post #116
doc_ick wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand upon this?

A full implementation/rewrite of something like word, which is pretty complex and the quantity of edge cases is insane, in a relatively short amount of time, months, is very hard. If they succeed with AI it will be huge: it's basically not possible to do it today with humans, no matter how many people you put on the job.

I would agree a full rewrite of word which is very complex and take quite a bit of time.

It would be impressive of AI to make a 80% rewrite, though I fully doubt it would cover the 100% rewrite (disregarding long term support as well).

Why do you think it’s impossible for humans to rewrite word, especially even humans made it in the first place?

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by dumberquestions »

pocksuppet wrote: post #140
xvilka wrote: post #135

Would be nice if they donate to LibreOffice then, to improve the support of various MS Office features in files, as well as comparison/diffing features. Win-win to everyone.

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Good thing that "would be nice" doesn't entail that they have to.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by prmoustache »

TZubiri wrote: post #63
zamadatix wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the title, I'm not sure it's actually bundled. Some of the skills plugins will download it on the first run. So it depends where they are grabbing it from rather than the presence of the binary on the system, but I haven't checked that deep into where they actually grab it.

The license itself may be present in the cache folder. Alternatively, ChatGPT might happily disclose authorship and licensing if asked. I'm not convinced of the argument that the fact that it is not bundled at download or even at install-time, would free them of the GPL responsibilities. And at this point. I'm also not sure HOW the devs bundled libreoffice, whether they just mentioned in a prompt (use libreoffice), o…

> Whole lotta words to say that I don't know whether this is a GPL violation,

I don't need a lot of words to say it can't be a GPL violation since Libreoffice is distributed under the MPL v2.0 license.

https://www.libreoffice.org/licenses/

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/license-policy/

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by doc_ick »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #125
cpursley wrote: post #76

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AI is especially good at ports like this where there’s a known and well tested surface area.

*that only microsoft has access to. These guys puposely obscure controls and understanding of these products 100% to prevent you doing a port. Just go open a microsoft word doc in the browser and look at the dom. Despair! Horror!

Especially when there are three different versions, and each has a different team, and they all can work together at the same time. Crazy amount of tech supporting it that breaks a humans context let alone a models context.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by stackghost »

skinfaxi wrote: post #131
esperent wrote: post #25

I actually bundle LibreOffice with my app too and the reason is reading files, especially old xls files. Since I'm bundling it I'm now using it for everything docs related but the specific reason is those old files. I couldn't find anything else that I could just drop it and feel confident it'll just read anything I give it.

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>How much money have you contributed back to this seemingly indispensable project?

Perhaps it's time for you to become familiar with the terms of the Mozilla Public License, under which Libre Office is released. There is no requirement for monetary compensation.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by mplewis »

pocksuppet wrote: post #140
xvilka wrote: post #135

Would be nice if they donate to LibreOffice then, to improve the support of various MS Office features in files, as well as comparison/diffing features. Win-win to everyone.

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you people are always mixing up the legal thing to do with the right thing to do

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by dnautics »

stackghost wrote: post #145
skinfaxi wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>How much money have you contributed back to this seemingly indispensable project? Perhaps it's time for you to become familiar with the terms of the Mozilla Public License, under which Libre Office is released. There is no requirement for monetary compensation.

No requirement doesn't mean "don't be a mensch"

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by rdbl27 »

mplewis wrote: post #146
pocksuppet wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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you people are always mixing up the legal thing to do with the right thing to do

Surely "the right thing to do" includes some element of the authors' explicitly stated preferences about how they wish to be treated.

In this case, they chose -- explicitly -- to NOT require any payment or contribution from anyone.

Your feelings about what constitutes "the right thing to do" are apparently different from those of the authors. You believe you know better than they themselves do how they should be treated.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by rdbl27 »

dnautics wrote: post #147
stackghost wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How much money have you contributed back to this seemingly indispensable project? Perhaps it's time for you to become familiar with the terms of the Mozilla Public License, under which Libre Office is released. There is no requirement for monetary compensation.

No requirement doesn't mean "don't be a mensch"

You believe you know better than the authors themselves about how they ought to be treated?

They chose -- explicitly, voluntarily, knowingly -- to give the thing away for free. That's their right for their own creation. Your preferences don't supersede theirs.

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