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Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by delecti »

olejorgenb wrote: post #90
roughly wrote: post #65

There’s an old mantra from organizing: “no permanent enemies, no permanent allies.” You will never align with another group or person 100% on all things; the secret to making change is to build a coalition of those with whom you agree on an issue without holding it against them that you disagree on a different one. I disagree with Mozilla about many things, but I agree with this article - I use Firefox because it’s t…

It's also better that the other browser in many ways. The "Awesome Bar" among them.

What's different about the Awesome Bar from Chrome? IIRC Chrome had the unified search/URL bar before Firefox did, and I don't remember it being very different from Firefox's implementation. If anything, I remember it being easier to add search engines in Chrome (unless it's gotten worse in the past few years since I switched to Firefox).

Am I missing out on cool features of the URL bar in Firefox?

Edit: made my question more specific

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by flir »

okanat wrote: post #123
flir wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the bright side, there will finally be a compelling reason to move to an alternative protocol like Gemini.

If 99.9999% is on WWW, nobody will move to Gemini. There is no business to build on Gemini, no publicly accessible, culturally broad community exists on it and none will exist. You'll only find programmers on Gemini. No authors, philosophers, non-IT engineers/makers with their projects. WWW has organically grown. Gemini has to be equally or more capable and more user and business friendly to have a significant contri…

Sounds peaceful.

But seriously, web is asymptotically approaching zero usefulness precisely because of all those "capabilities". In those circumstances, can't you see a million nerds muttering "we'll build our own interweb! with blackjack and hookers!" And one of them might even get lucky, and get a tipping point. Gemini's just an example.

I don't think web's ever going away for corporate stuff, but I can imagine the cultural party moving next door, to a less capable protocol.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by em-bee »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #51
mingus88 wrote: post #18

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I don’t know you, but most people I work with for some reason keep so many tabs open, the tab bar is squeezed so you can barely see a favicon Probably due to my age, I religiously close every tab after I read it. If that gets more than a dozen, I literally quit the browser and declare bankruptcy because it’s not worth it to sort through the mess of tabs I clearly am not using. Firefox is old too. I’m sure it could ma…

I'm around middle age and keep tons of tabs open simply because I have a number of projects/tasks or soon-to-be projects/tasks going at any given point and managing associated websites is easier with tabs than it is with bookmarks. In other words, bookmark management UI/UX is inadequate and tab hoarding is the band-aid. There's also a higher chance that things will slip through the cracks and be forgotten if I bookma…

tab groups, a very recent feature, help a lot at keeping tabs organized. you can even archive whole groups if you no longer need them but don't want to throw them away

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cindyllm »

trueno wrote: post #149
autoexec wrote: post #53

> Meanwhile, the over thinkers on Hacker News come up with convoluted reasons to hate on Firefox every time the subject arises...Firefox is our last best hope for browser engine diversity and competition. It's exactly because Firefox is so important that you'll see people here complaining when Firefox does things to push away users like Mozilla buying up an ad-tech company, collecting data on users, and using firefox…

i hate being jaded because you can see where things are headed every time on repeat, but i also hate the term "power user" carries a lot of pc gamer energy and i simply could never assess that i know more then the next guy for certain. my opinion doesn't matter more then the next guys. but when you see where this is headed because you've seen it countless times, there is always the "it works fine for me" guy and that…

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Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by xgulfie »

xgulfie wrote: post #100
nickthegreek wrote: post #97

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that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?

Here's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...

Sorry everyone on "hacker" "news" I cannot provably see into a strangers heart of hearts in a way that would satisfy you

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by Mashimo »

bluebarbet wrote: post #27
Mashimo wrote: post #17

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uBlock lite is enough for me. I switched from normal to lite and did not notice a difference.

With this attitude you can expect uBlock Ultra-Lite and then uBlock Nothing in future. Mozilla is the only remaining obstacle to stop big tech from deciding everything about how the web is rendered. If we don't support Firefox we will get what we deserve.

Might be, but I can't take on every battle. I switched from chrome to vivaldi in the hopes of they would keep the v2 api alive. They could not. Currently I can't be asked to switch browser again. Maybe at some point.

But OP asked if "is this not enough of a selling point" and I wanted to answer that honestly.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cubefox »

em-bee wrote: post #147
cubefox wrote: post #131

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> If the goal is browser diversity, is the answer really Firefox? Or is it one of the active in development projects from people who are motivated to do something new? The former. Ladybird is currently not practically usable, it is unclear whether it will ever catch up to the main engines, and even if it does, it is unclear whether it will ever reach the market share that Firefox has. It is a nice project but science…

ladybird is passing more than 90% of the browser test suite. that's not science fiction.

How much does Firefox pass? 99.99%?

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by trueno »

bpbp-mango wrote: post #150
autoexec wrote: post #53

> Meanwhile, the over thinkers on Hacker News come up with convoluted reasons to hate on Firefox every time the subject arises...Firefox is our last best hope for browser engine diversity and competition. It's exactly because Firefox is so important that you'll see people here complaining when Firefox does things to push away users like Mozilla buying up an ad-tech company, collecting data on users, and using firefox…

> Firefox does things to push away users like Mozilla buying up an ad-tech company, collecting data on users, and using firefox to push personalized ads oh ok I'll change to Chrome then surely they would never do stuff like this

i missed the part where op you're replying to said switching to chrome was the alternative to pursue over holding firefoxes nuts to the fire.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by GuB-42 »

autoexec wrote: post #53

> Meanwhile, the over thinkers on Hacker News come up with convoluted reasons to hate on Firefox every time the subject arises...Firefox is our last best hope for browser engine diversity and competition. It's exactly because Firefox is so important that you'll see people here complaining when Firefox does things to push away users like Mozilla buying up an ad-tech company, collecting data on users, and using firefox…

I will go further and say that people hate on Firefox because they care.

We don't see many people here hating on Edge for instance, they may hate the fact that it always wants to force itself in, but not the browser itself. And that's simply because they don't use it, they don't even bother trying, they don't know what to hate about it and they don't care. Occasionally, some people say it is actually good, they get ignored.

Compared to this, hate is a good thing.

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