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AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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AnkiDroid has been such a great boon for me, thank you for sharing the link and reminding that they would benefit from my donation.

Seconded here. So far only used ready made sets, especially the fantastic CCNA one from Jeremy's IT Labs. But I guess that if I fix few more errors, I'll break into creating my own cards.

Creating a card is a first step in learning that card. Worth it! And you don't have to do that on your phone - there's a desktop app available.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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I think there are more and more apps on f-droid. On my end the experience was more pleasant on f-droid than on Google. On f-droid I had to manually push some things, in repositories. That I solved in a week or so. On Google end I had to verify my account. Which was not easy feat. - had to provide my ID several times, because it got rejected multiple times - I uploaded driving license - the verification process was st…

From a user perspective I think F-Droid is really good too, mainly because it only allows FOSS apps by default, which cuts out a lot of the BS you see in Play Store apps. You can go download a random, no-name app from F-Droid and be very confident it does what it says on the tin and won't be riddled with ads or spam you with notifications.

This. I was looking for a quick Dart board score tracker app to keep scores for family games.

The play store results were ATROCIOUS and user hostile, forcing account creation, full screen video ads and other BS.

I remembered I had f-droid and I found a perfect, no bullshit app that does exactly what I needed and no ads.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Google is not the payment processor. This is about the app including a link to a donation page on opencollective.com. Other 501(c)(6) organizations you might have heard of include the Linux Foundation and the Rust Foundation.

Do LF and Rust solicit individual donations via phone apps (or at all, really)? Indeed, those are structured as corporate-funded consortiums of exactly the type you'd be very suspicious of if, say, your kernel or compiler logs started stuffing a donation link into the stream! Note that GNU software does historically mention donations (not in the logs AFAIK), and indeed the FSF is a 501(c)(3).

> Do LF and Rust solicit individual donations via phone apps (or at all, really)?

"Phone apps" is irrelevant, because again, Anki was not taking donations via their app but rather via a link to OpenCollective, a separate website.

So the remaining part of your question:

> Do LF and Rust solicit individual donations (at all, really)?

Yep, the Linux Foundation has a PayPal donate button (with a simple note to U.S. taxpayers that it's not deductible): https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Crappy state of affairs is that the tax payer funded regulators twiddle their thumbs and do nothing about it. Corporation like Google should have been fined to the edge of bankruptcy for such predatory behaviour.

>Corporation like Google should have been fined to the edge of bankruptcy for such predatory behaviour. Google has an alternative at least (can download other app stores, apks, and have been able to for 15 years), I have no idea how Apple has been allowed to get away with what they do.

I never understood the argument that Apple's hostility to developers was unfair. The business proposition is simple: "Buy our overpriced hardware with our famously inflexible and invasive software and sign this massive, legally-binding contract agreeing that you understand all of the above to extract further value out of the Apple ecosystem."

The "App Store" is just a natural extension of the club. As far as I'm concerned, they can gatekeep and sloppify as much as they want. Apple users agree to this.

I've never felt slighted that I couldn't hack apart my iPad - though I will absolutely do it once somebody cracks the code and gets a proper Linux kernel running.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Being a developer, I can say that working with Google is a pain. There is no possibility to talk with a human, all communication is answered by the same AI-generated response that links you to the same AI-generated documentation. And if such AI does something wrong (which it does) no matter what they WILL REMOVE your app. Because they don't care about you. Sometimes the only way out is to publish the app again with a…

I have apps published to both the Play Store and App Store, and I agree. Despite the stereotype, Apple is much nicer to deal with. If you work within the Google ecosystem, you enjoy none of the benefits of the supposedly open Android system, but need to deal with more bureaucracy, more limitations, and worse support.

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>Corporation like Google should have been fined to the edge of bankruptcy for such predatory behaviour. Google has an alternative at least (can download other app stores, apks, and have been able to for 15 years), I have no idea how Apple has been allowed to get away with what they do.

Better framing in their lawsuits- being a ‘market’ is less a thing in a monoculture- i.e. the market for Apple phones vs the market for all Android phones from a variety of makers. Also in the worldwide market it most definitely isn’t a monopoly in phones at all- which is exactly why the EU had to reform their laws (DMA ect)to get regulatory powers over them.

"It's not a monopoly" is exactly the framing. Antitrust isn't inherently concerned with monopolies, it's concerned with market power. It's just that a monopolist has no room to move in claiming that they don't have market power.

They also play this trick where they pretend the only market is "phones" and ignore all of the complementary markets they're tying together with their phones, like app distribution and browser engines etc., since the market definitions for those shouldn't be the same as it is for "phones" when an app store that can be used on Google and Samsung phones can't be used (and therefore doesn't compete) on Apple phones and vice versa.

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You can install from other stores (AnkiDroid is on F-Droid, for example), or from direct file download on Android already. The problem is rather thay most users just use the store preinstalled on their phone as part of Google's deal with OEMs to bundle Google Play Services. So either you follow Google's rules, or you lose all the users who don't want to leave the walled garden, even though they can.

When do we stop this instinctive response of "well you can still do it in an only slightly convoluted way" everytime a corporate does something bad. Windows added ads - well you can disable them, if you don't like it. Chrome brought up mv3 - well you can still use mv2, it is only optional. Reddit locking subreddits behind login wall - well there's always old.reddit Android moving everything to playstore - there's alw…

old.reddit now requires a login :/

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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> The bottom line is that Anki's lawyers messed up. Anki and Ankidroid are not the same entity and they have different owners, if you want to call it that. Anki is owned by Nicholas Flint, a physician who sells med school-related decks online under the name AnKing, which controls Ankihub, which now controls Anki after the original founder (Damien Elmes) gave them control about six months ago. Ankidroid is a non-profi…

> Anki and Ankidroid are not the same entity So... why is one soliciting donations on behalf of the other?! My Fraud Meter is rising, not falling here. > It's also just some nerd programmers who ported Anki to run on Android. It's not some org with a revenue stream and attorneys. "Just Some Nerd Programmers" don't, very obviously, have standing to solicit tax exempt donations. Rising further still... I think a lot of…

> So... why is one soliciting donations on behalf of the other?! My Fraud Meter is rising, not falling here.

It's not... AnkiDroid was soliciting donations to AnkiDroid, via OpenCollective, which essentially "owns" them financially, for the purpose of soliciting donations.

This is all explained very clearly in the linked GitHub issue:

> AnkiDroid's donations go to Open Source Collective, a US non-profit which acts as our fiscal host.

> AnkiDroid is the Anki client for Android, developed and maintained by volunteers. Nothing is sold in the app and our Open Collective is the sole source of funding for maintenance and development. AnkiDroid is independent from Anki, AnkiWeb, AnkiMobile, and AnkiHub.

While some confusion is understandable, continuing to press on about your "Fraud Meter" just puts egg on your face when you're misunderstanding things through multiple replies explaining them to you.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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This is on Android, though.

Android and iOS keep each other in check

The difference here is iOS has an official Anki app and buying it (it costs $25) is the best way to support Anki.

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There's a workaround if you want it enough. I noticed that reddit was setting a use_redesign (I might have the name slightly wrong) cookie when I explicitly visited the old.reddit domain, and this caused old reddit to persist. Since I do occasionally want to use the new site for image posts and the like, I set up a bookmarklet to set/unset that cookie on command. I've since found that setting this cookie bypasses the…

The simple workaround to most of these walls is to create an account with your email address and phone number.

Which is not a workaround, but giving in. And it gets increasingly difficult to create an account without giving them personal data.
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