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Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

A few decades ago, I heard a story (and it is apparently true) of a court case for second-degree manslaughter. The defendant had a normal legal name, but his rap moniker was "Bloody Badass".

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ny-supreme-court/1281054.h...

The prosecution obtained permission from the judge so that they could refer to the defendant throughout the trial, not by his legal name, but the name he took for himself: "Bloody Badass". The defense considered this a rather bad idea and attempted to overturn the case on appeal.

Now it seems that plenty of concrete evidence was provided, and a person's name does not directly convict of any crime at all, except against good taste. But can you imagine the mood in that courtroom as the jury and witnesses were repeatedly exposed, all day long, to the prosecution calling him by a name he wished to be known by?

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Post by RickJWagner »

yndoendo wrote: post #21
Rendello wrote: post #17

> In closing arguments, prosecutor Binu Palal told jurors to take Davis at his word and find him guilty. > For years, he argued, Davis had been telling people "that he is responsible for Tupac Shakur's murder" through documentaries, his memoir, podcasts and a police interview. > Throughout the trial, Davis' defence team tried to persuade jurors that his comments were fiction - bravado and exaggeration intended to sel…

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Odd you should pick Favre. How about Elizabeth Warren, who cheated deserving minorities out of benefits, then going on to be fabulously wealthy as a modestly paid public servant? Does she trip your rage trigger as well?

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by yndoendo »

ailun wrote: post #22
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Violence ripples out. It’s never just one person. Living in a violent society has huge costs on all of us.

That statement can be made about fraud too. More people are hurt via fraud than violent crime because it can reach into generations of people. It can escalate to whole communities.

The only time whole communities are harm via violence is mainly during a war or ethnic cleansing.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by yndoendo »

rdtsc wrote: post #35
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

So what do you think we should do if we catch a murderer? Should we let them go? I just don’t get the angle here at all. It sounds a bit like we’re talking about apples and you’re telling people we should care about motorcycles. Sure we can like or dislike both, but’s what’s the connection though?

I never said that. Only was pointing out that society treats those that harm more will less punishment. How many people are being harmed with fraud like crypto-currency scams or stock pump and dumps or wage theft vs violence?

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Post by yndoendo »

RickJWagner wrote: post #42
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Odd you should pick Favre. How about Elizabeth Warren, who cheated deserving minorities out of benefits, then going on to be fabulously wealthy as a modestly paid public servant? Does she trip your rage trigger as well?

Favre was picked because he did not receive any jail time. Elizabeth Warren did receive at least some. Both are harmful to a civil society.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by yndoendo »

stickfigure wrote: post #30
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

This is literal whattaboutism. We can be disgusted by violent acts and fraud. This post reads like you're trying to excuse the violece.

How is this whataboutism? Whataboutism tries to turn two wrongs into a right.

I've notice more people lack optics with one vs the other. One is easy to understand the other is hard, takes more time, and does more damage which takes more time to see the effects.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by ailun »

yndoendo wrote: post #43
ailun wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence ripples out. It’s never just one person. Living in a violent society has huge costs on all of us.

That statement can be made about fraud too. More people are hurt via fraud than violent crime because it can reach into generations of people. It can escalate to whole communities. The only time whole communities are harm via violence is mainly during a war or ethnic cleansing.

Yes, obviously the statement can be made about fraud, because you already made it. I was pointing out that the effects of violence are not as simple as hurting one person as you said. Then you replied by repeating yourself. I am so tired of talking to people like you.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by hojofpoj »

rdtsc wrote: post #35
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

So what do you think we should do if we catch a murderer? Should we let them go? I just don’t get the angle here at all. It sounds a bit like we’re talking about apples and you’re telling people we should care about motorcycles. Sure we can like or dislike both, but’s what’s the connection though?

If society believed stabbings and other close personal attacks were the only real acts of a murderous personality you would be OK with a sniper who kills hundreds getting probation as a normal person who just lost their way because that's like apples to motorcycles?
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