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Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by yndoendo »

Rendello wrote: post #17

> In closing arguments, prosecutor Binu Palal told jurors to take Davis at his word and find him guilty. > For years, he argued, Davis had been telling people "that he is responsible for Tupac Shakur's murder" through documentaries, his memoir, podcasts and a police interview. > Throughout the trial, Davis' defence team tried to persuade jurors that his comments were fiction - bravado and exaggeration intended to sel…

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly.

People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people.

Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly responsible for harm enumerable number of people.

I am more disgusted by the fraudsters of the world than people like Luigi Mangione. I wish more people would realize that corrupt wealthy individuals cause the most harm against humanity than those that commit singular violent acts.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by ailun »

yndoendo wrote: post #21
Rendello wrote: post #17

> In closing arguments, prosecutor Binu Palal told jurors to take Davis at his word and find him guilty. > For years, he argued, Davis had been telling people "that he is responsible for Tupac Shakur's murder" through documentaries, his memoir, podcasts and a police interview. > Throughout the trial, Davis' defence team tried to persuade jurors that his comments were fiction - bravado and exaggeration intended to sel…

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Violence ripples out. It’s never just one person. Living in a violent society has huge costs on all of us.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by wredcoll »

ailun wrote: post #22
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Violence ripples out. It’s never just one person. Living in a violent society has huge costs on all of us.

You're right, but that doesn't discount the point about fraud, especially the "mega"fraudsters like favre and trump and friends.

It's not just the literal stealing, it is, as you point out, the ripple effects of destroying trust in society/government/etc.

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Post by rexpop »

ailun wrote: post #22
yndoendo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

Violence ripples out. It’s never just one person. Living in a violent society has huge costs on all of us.

"Civil" violence also ripples out.

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by frenchtoast8 »

amacneil wrote: post #24

Wildest part about this whole story is Ben Horowitz of A16z's role: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cUOTL8meN5I

Assuming this story is true, is it normal that some rich guy can just ask to see police documents over dinner without any FOIA request or anything?

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Post by arjie »

frenchtoast8 wrote: post #27
amacneil wrote: post #24

Wildest part about this whole story is Ben Horowitz of A16z's role: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cUOTL8meN5I

Assuming this story is true, is it normal that some rich guy can just ask to see police documents over dinner without any FOIA request or anything?

He's pretty close to that particular police chief of staff or whatever he was. So this is probably just one of those things where if you have connections, then sometimes you take someone on vacation or fly them private and it turns out they give you some documents, rule in your favour in a case, pardon you.

See https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/08/ben-horowitzs-cozy-relatio...

Re: Ex-Crips leader found guilty in 1996 murder of rapper Tupac Shakur

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Post by stickfigure »

yndoendo wrote: post #21
Rendello wrote: post #17

> In closing arguments, prosecutor Binu Palal told jurors to take Davis at his word and find him guilty. > For years, he argued, Davis had been telling people "that he is responsible for Tupac Shakur's murder" through documentaries, his memoir, podcasts and a police interview. > Throughout the trial, Davis' defence team tried to persuade jurors that his comments were fiction - bravado and exaggeration intended to sel…

People are easily disgusted by violent acts and yet they often only harm a single individual directly and few indirectly. People that commit fraud are more welcoming to the public but they are the ones that harm the most people. Example: Brett Farve, a millionaire, is still likable while at the same time he stole from a welfare system that was designed to help the poorest in the state of Mississippi. He is directly r…

This is literal whattaboutism. We can be disgusted by violent acts and fraud. This post reads like you're trying to excuse the violece.
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