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You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.
> You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. No, it doesn't. It's now in Thailand for R&R, then back to base in the US, because of this issue. https://apnews.com/article/thailand-singapore-us-aircraft-ca... > What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed… Right. We're being too restrained. That's some Vietnam War era cope you're huffing.
I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was supposed to be a base there. The Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain got flattened.
That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…
Americans make war on other people, other people don't make war on Americans. It's one of the reasons why they are so eager to do so. 'The other guys might hit back' doesn't even register in the cultural psyche.
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#163This is eerily suggestive of a vulnerability Hank Paulson hinted at in his 2014 book "Dealing with China" "Every nonelectric cooler comes with 25 years of free real-time monitoring. On a visit to the company in the spring of 2012, I watched as technicians in Broad Air’s space-age control room checked on the performance of its units in locations as diverse as the Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport in Spain; Qualcomm…
America's tech-sector has a similar problem, which--until recently--was tempered by the idea that it was a dependable and predictable ally to most of its customers. Not just in the sense of secretive kill-switches, but "US government commands you to turn over this encryption key and you're not allowed to say you did so" stuff.
That barely even registers given the scale of more modern escalations against its 'allies'. Escalations like "US government threatens that you aren't a real country and that you can't defend yourself from it."
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Did they airlift better supplies to a floating aircraft carrier somewhere in the northern Indian Ocean recently? No.
Aircraft carriers are not particularly well suited to be supplied by cargo aircraft. The largest cargo aircraft with the strengthened landing gear, arresting hook, and catapult attachment used to be the C-2 Greyhound. It had a range of approximately 1,500 miles with a 10,000 pound cargo. It was retired on July 28th, 2026. The C-2 has been replaced by the CMV-22B Osprey. It has a range of only 1,150 miles and a more l…
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> You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. No, it doesn't. It's now in Thailand for R&R, then back to base in the US, because of this issue. https://apnews.com/article/thailand-singapore-us-aircraft-ca... > What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed… Right. We're being too restrained. That's some Vietnam War era cope you're huffing.
In the Vietnam war the US didn't win because it couldn't, no matter how much force was employed. Here same thing: we can't depose the Iranian government without a land invasion (which is too costly) and nothing else keeps them from having control of the strait.
Yes, that is the point everyone has been trying to make.
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You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.
> if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news ?? What does this even mean? It seems to come out of nowhere. Is it a reference to some event??
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That someone can be brought into an office and shown a small diagram of the approved network topology. Then they can be shown a small diagram of the current network topology. Next, they can be asked if they're the same. If they're not, they can finally be asked if they're aware that deviating from the approved network topology without consulting infosec is grounds for termination of their employment.
You're assuming that it'll be noticed at all , and that the person noticing cares enough about it to make a big deal out of it - likely involving several layers of management. In reality it'll likely first be noticed ten years down the line, by someone who lets out a big sigh, mutters something about "incompetent dipshits not updating documentation", and moves on with their day.
I'm saying that's what you do in order to solve the issue. You have to actually try, and you have to do actual engineering.
If the local planning commission submits a call for proposals for a bridge to cross a 400 foot chasm over sharp rocks, and they insist that it absolutely, positively must be made out of popsicle sticks, local civil engineering firms aren't going to take up the project, because that's insane.
Why do we give the management of these places a pass for PLC and SCADA systems that could give massive problems - up to and including the loss of human life - if they're hacked?
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#168There doesn't seem to be anything indicating an advanced attack. If you're a foreign adversary and you want to flex your muscles (in a way that would be a borderline act of war), you don't just flip one switch and giggle about spoiled food.
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Because they’re prefabbed walk-in coolers or freezers (at minimum, they could be purpose built cold storage warehouses) with multiple condensers, evaporators, pumps, temperature sensors, and humidity sensors. The refrigeration equipment needs some sort of control system and direct digital control is the usual way to do that these days. This is food storage for a commissary, aka a store. They don’t use residential ref…
Do regular grocery stores use a similar system? Or are locally controlled, simpler systems?