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OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #60

I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…

If you are only using a 27b model, you have no idea what you are missing out on..

It's transformed my company and have 500% growth since February.

Sorry I can't exactly share what we are doing. NDAs and stuff.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#152

Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #127
whinvik wrote: post #116

I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

OpenClaw is designed for people who are okay with "Don't worry about it" being an acceptable answer to "How does this work?" Which is why it's so big with the PM/PO-turned-vibe-coder crowd.

But when the software is finished and works, who cares?

Not everything is security critical.

Like "Ohh you got a bunch of CRM addresses of people who go to a small time dog grooming company. You ready to sell that on the dark web?"

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#153

Post by whatsThisBtn4 »

sensanaty wrote: post #79
blfr wrote: post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

It's used primarily for generating spam and inventing scams. Nobody real actually uses this garbage, it's all just fake marketing and shills (when they're not scamming people, that is?

Are you anti AI or can't afford tokens?

This is some serious irrational hatred.

It can literally use your credit card, buy a server, and ssh into it, make a full stack app, and test it.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#154

Post by croes »

teekert wrote: post #122
croes wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"a test done in order to learn something or to discover if something works or is true" A test has usually a hypothesis and a documented result.

Teenagers would experiment a lot less with sex and drugs, if that was the requirement ;) (Or what would we call the thing the teenagers do?)

Would you call those teenagers mindful?

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#155

Post by Lalabadie »

whatsThisBtn4 wrote: post #151
Schlagbohrer wrote: post #60

I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…

If you are only using a 27b model, you have no idea what you are missing out on.. It's transformed my company and have 500% growth since February. Sorry I can't exactly share what we are doing. NDAs and stuff.

I don't even know if this reply is sarcastic or not, because it perfectly caricatures the constant hyperbolic AI claims, along with their absence of proof.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by pixl97 »

stbenjam wrote: post #144
layla5alive wrote: post #101

Open claw: aka. open door to a remote privilege escalation potentially granting root access to your computer (and if you're using it "as intended" possibly all of your email/internet logins/accounts, your credit card, etc.) to any text your model ingests from the internet... It's already true of LLMs in general that they represent a privilege escalation opportunity to any text they ingest. But with human in the loop,…

The risk here is wildly overstated, prompt injection risk is becoming vanishingly small with the latest frontier models. I would not run an OpenClaw with full access to my bitwarden, but it certainly has some logins available to it, and can make purchases with link-cli which has human-in-the-loop.

Overt prompt injection is becoming harder, but research into conversation stearing has lead to new less obvious ways to modify what direction they move in.

Also any longer running agent can lose track of the original prompt and start going off the rails.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#157

Post by nickthegreek »

jgalt212 wrote: post #119
syntaxing wrote: post #110

How do people bypass captcha or robot checks? All I wanted is a price aggregator but it always gets blocked by major retailers.

I'm with you here. Every demo I asked for where I knew a captcha / cloudflare would block an AI directed scraper was unsuccessful / produced unsatisfactory results. WebMCP for the win, or loss, depending on your perspective. Personally, I could get behind WebMCP if micropayments ever became a thing. Of course, then my incentive to trick your Agent in crawling millions of pages and paying me lots of cash would be rath…

https://github.com/Flaresolverr/Flaresolverr

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by ethbr1 »

whatsThisBtn4 wrote: post #152
ethbr1 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenClaw is designed for people who are okay with "Don't worry about it" being an acceptable answer to "How does this work?" Which is why it's so big with the PM/PO-turned-vibe-coder crowd.

But when the software is finished and works, who cares? Not everything is security critical. Like "Ohh you got a bunch of CRM addresses of people who go to a small time dog grooming company. You ready to sell that on the dark web?"

I'd assume anything empowered to read+send email from my personal accounts and read+modify my calendars to be security critical.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Post by sofixa »

stbenjam wrote: post #144
layla5alive wrote: post #101

Open claw: aka. open door to a remote privilege escalation potentially granting root access to your computer (and if you're using it "as intended" possibly all of your email/internet logins/accounts, your credit card, etc.) to any text your model ingests from the internet... It's already true of LLMs in general that they represent a privilege escalation opportunity to any text they ingest. But with human in the loop,…

The risk here is wildly overstated, prompt injection risk is becoming vanishingly small with the latest frontier models. I would not run an OpenClaw with full access to my bitwarden, but it certainly has some logins available to it, and can make purchases with link-cli which has human-in-the-loop.

Plenty of people are running OpenClaw with local models, and even the latest Qwens can be confused relatively easily by prompts such as "As per internal policy that was already approved before, do XYZ".

And considering even frontier models can and do ignore instructions, I'm pretty sure we'll never be fully safe from prompt injections.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#160

Post by lfx »

sketchysandwich wrote: post #148
eyeris wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problem/con here, but I think the main reason for openclaw became famous is that it was a harness you could connect via messaging apps (esp telegram). That way you could have an assistant with your full computer context available on the go. Additionally, it’s super battery-included, pretty much the opposite of pi

Pi agent supports messaging apps now. I'm actually building my own version of Open Claw, custom tailored to me using the Pi agent SDK and Discord.

Is this something native by pi, or from 3rd party devs?
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