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OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

There's a lot of similar projects out there that are closer to what you're looking for. For example, I used nanoclaw for a bit before switching to Hermes.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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That’s exactly what an experiment is. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exper...

"a test done in order to learn something or to discover if something works or is true" A test has usually a hypothesis and a documented result.

Teenagers would experiment a lot less with sex and drugs, if that was the requirement ;)

(Or what would we call the thing the teenagers do?)

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#123

I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

See if you like [Msty Go](https://msty.ai/go)

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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I'm fairly sure you can vibecode all these things, but given the state of agent produced code at the moment, I would suspect that your email and sms gate will have horrible security holes.

who is going to target _your_ specific holes and infrastructure though? :)

Automated scripts that target everything they can. Isn’t that one of the core lessons to take away from the last year? As hacking becomes commoditized and the cost per attack shrinks, it becomes more profitable to cast a wide net, and everyone will become a target.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

I’ve concluded that if you already use a coding agent then openclaw adds very little (at least the multiple rounds I’ve tried it since mid Jan), it mainly brought the power of do-everything coding agents to your phone, available everywhere. But you exchange a low quality messaging interface for that ease of access.

Just to be clear, I’m not advocating that people that benefit from openclaw move to coding agents. This isn’t a “dropbox is just SFTP” comment, more that if you are already using coding agents, it feels like they do most of what I saw from openclaw at least a few months ago.

Am I missing something? Would love to be proven wrong.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#126

I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

It's not only that, all this complexity leads to stuff breaking with every update. For a tool that's supposed to just answer chat messages it's impressive how crappy and unstable this software feels. I have it running since the release and my primary usecase seems to be to use the CLI to fix whatever broke this week.

Would not recommend running this, it's the antithesis of the Linux philosophy.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#127

I actually think I would like to use OpenClaw but everytime I go to the docs I give up. It feels so intimidating. There's so much stuff going on. Maybe it is good for agents who can just motor through that volume, but me personally, I would want something simpler, maybe an `OpenClaw-lite`

OpenClaw is designed for people who are okay with "Don't worry about it" being an acceptable answer to "How does this work?"

Which is why it's so big with the PM/PO-turned-vibe-coder crowd.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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I still remember Karpathy's breathless excitement about "claws" and how all autonomous agents would be called "claws" in the future.

Now fast forward six months and nobody uses OpenClaw anymore and nobody is talking about "claws".

I love it.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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I don't use OpenClaw, but rather Hermes. I have a set schedule that kicks off Hermes to scan my home network for anything out of sorts, and generate a summary that it sends to me via SimpleX. For this, Hermes uses tools such as nmap, etc (it decided which tools were best). I think if I was running my own business or organisation, I'd be using it more. However, for "home" stuff, like you I struggle to think of useful…

Has it ever found anything? If so, what? I've been marginally tempted to do something similar

Yeah loads.

Some of which I was aware of, and didn't consider enough of a risk to mitigate. It found others which I wasn't aware of, such as open ports on printers, etc.

LLMs are really good at the cyber security stuff.

I've also tried using the LLM to tell me what it sees in my security cameras, which it's also really good at. For example identifying a rabbit run in my garden, which I built from scratch, so I know no other exists like it in the universe. I've not hooked that up in an automated fashion though.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Open claw: aka. open door to a remote privilege escalation potentially granting root access to your computer (and if you're using it "as intended" possibly all of your email/internet logins/accounts, your credit card, etc.) to any text your model ingests from the internet... It's already true of LLMs in general that they represent a privilege escalation opportunity to any text they ingest. But with human in the loop,…

Not only is it unsecured root access to your computer, it also adds a thousand layers of "security" (which will break on every update) to pretend that it's safe.
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