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Understanding ChatGPT Work

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Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

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It's already here. My company received an AI generated bug report the other day, and my AI employee ("R. Axiom") noticed, analyzed it, prepared a fix, tested it and replied to it. I wasn't involved, although I will review, merge and release the fix.

Is "R. Axiom" inspired by "A. Bettik" from Hyperion? I love the name :)

More likely inspired by Asimov's names (R. Daneel, etc.) from his Robots stories.

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I think most people are sleeping on the ChatGPT Work/Codex computer use feature. It's incredibly useful. I can remote in from the app, voice it instructions, then let it work in the background. When I tell it "draft a reply to this email (which it has access to thru the gmail connector) and attach the latest docs" or "fill out this multistep immigration electronic travel authorisation form using my passport files sav…

Using Work/Codex I'm continually amazed at how far my experience is from the popular AI memes like "this will destroy all jobs" and "AI is useless and is about to crash and take the economy with it." My experience feels like I'm in an Iron Man movie. I get up in the morning, I turn on the voice chat mode, and while I'm making my coffee I ask it to highlight any important emails I received overnight. I then babble to…

When do you get to enjoy your morning? And when does your family get to enjoy time with you? You're working when you wake up, working while you make coffee, working while you walk through the garden. Is that really space age? It sounds more like TikTok doomscrolling but for techies.

IMO these tools introduce faux productivity while taking away your free time and making you work more.

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

#173

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It's already here. My company received an AI generated bug report the other day, and my AI employee ("R. Axiom") noticed, analyzed it, prepared a fix, tested it and replied to it. I wasn't involved, although I will review, merge and release the fix.

An agent with full access to your codebase is able to email out without supervision in response to an untrusted messsage?

Yes!

We'll see how it goes, but the product in question (Conveyor) is a downloadable tool that's got deliberately unobfuscated bytecode in it, with lots of detailed logging. AI is perfectly capable of reverse engineering it and in fact this bug report contained such a reversing. So even if someone tricks it into revealing source code or similar, they won't get anything that isn't already obtainable via other methods. This isn't a SaaS where security through obscurity might conceivably help, or where the codebase might contain credentials by mistake.

It's a developer tool and this level of trust helps customers debug their own problems quickly. If someone wants to break the law, they'll get a legal answer, but it's never been a problem.

The bot in question cannot write to master though, only open up pull requests from its own isolated repository.

It's a bet on modern models being more resistant to confusion attacks than they were before. The harness setup also makes it very clear to the model where input comes from. This might be a bad bet, but if it's not, then it's helpful for customers to get help right away.

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Is "R. Axiom" inspired by "A. Bettik" from Hyperion? I love the name :)

More likely inspired by Asimov's names (R. Daneel, etc.) from his Robots stories.

Correct! I think we need a naming convention that lets us quickly understand if we're talking to a human or a machine. The R. prefix (meaning Robot) is unobtrusive and familiar to anyone who has encountered Asimov's stories. It will also generalize to humanoid LLM/VLA powered actual robots in future.

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Not to come across as dismissive of your job, but if a "day's worth of email" can be done in 20 minutes now, it to me mostly highlights that it was mostly busy-work with little value and could have had another process? Good that AI improved upon the old process, though.

I mean, I can't stop people from emailing me. I get over a hundred non-spam, non-mailing-list emails on some days. I'm not able to respond to most of them. I'm often not expected to, I'm just being copied in as a FYI. The AI is able to assess subject and intent well enough to determine what should receive my limited time, and through the voice interface it converts "making coffee" time into "composing email" time. I…

I'm using mu4e as my MUA and one the things that it offers are actions (something similar in mutt is macro) where you can map a keybind to some code that do something to the current message or the set of selected messages. This is generally the reason that a lot of mailing list recipients (high volume of messages) use those software, where you can refile messages very quickly leaving the more thoughtful reply things for later.

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

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I think most people are sleeping on the ChatGPT Work/Codex computer use feature. It's incredibly useful. I can remote in from the app, voice it instructions, then let it work in the background. When I tell it "draft a reply to this email (which it has access to thru the gmail connector) and attach the latest docs" or "fill out this multistep immigration electronic travel authorisation form using my passport files sav…

> fill out this multistep immigration electronic travel authorisation form using my passport files saved in the folder

I would never send my passport details to OpenAI. That's a lot of trust you have on the tech and the company behind it.

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

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Occam's Razor would suggest that's because Simon posts good content. You can check his domain history to confirm that not everything Simon posts gets upvoted. https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=simonwillison.net

occams razor says this parasite gets support from YC for these circucular promotion schemes with the companies he writes about

So instead of "informed and intelligent blogger posts about topics they are interested in and knowledgable about", you think a simpler explanation is "nefarious, undetectable astroturfing campaign that distorts reality"? Get a grip.

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

#178

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Using Work/Codex I'm continually amazed at how far my experience is from the popular AI memes like "this will destroy all jobs" and "AI is useless and is about to crash and take the economy with it." My experience feels like I'm in an Iron Man movie. I get up in the morning, I turn on the voice chat mode, and while I'm making my coffee I ask it to highlight any important emails I received overnight. I then babble to…

When do you get to enjoy your morning? And when does your family get to enjoy time with you? You're working when you wake up, working while you make coffee, working while you walk through the garden. Is that really space age? It sounds more like TikTok doomscrolling but for techies. IMO these tools introduce faux productivity while taking away your free time and making you work more.

> space age

I agree with your comment, but I'm curious about this term as it seems anachronistic but maybe there is a new use?

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

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So it's a different set of tools / skills? Isn't the whole point of the tools/skills that you can use them on-demand? i.e. having them available doesn't make anything worse does it? Why did it even need to be a separate thing? So this seems more like a branding thing to me? Oh if you want to do serious work you need the paid subscription!

I think of it more as a SaaS hosting product providing some extra features that aren't in ChatGPT Chat - most notably a VM with a persistent filesystem, internet access, and a headless browser, made available to the standard OpenAI UI surfaces you already know how to use. You can wire such things up to an agent yourself in a bunch of alternative ways if you like - run OpenClaw, Hermes, or leave a computer running som…

Does the regular ChatGPT not have a VM? I've seen both Claude and ChatGPT do all kinds of strange "computer use" things even in the web chat.

What surprised me the most was, when I tried uploading a book into the "project context" on Claude, the RAG indexer crashed, but Claude used a bunch of Unix commands to reverse engineer the file format and grep the book manually...

Re: Understanding ChatGPT Work

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Missing from here is the marketing position. Claude _very_ rapidly gained traction in the business/enterprise space earlier this year with Claude Cowork leading that drive. So successful it was, it lead to Microsoft licensing the Claude Cowork IP and white labelling it as Copilot Cowork (has anything like that ever happened before?!). ChatGPT Work was, imo, largely driven by a panic at OpenAI that they were haemorrha…

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