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Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by mschuster91 »

seydor wrote: post #27

Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default

Well, China is at their usual barely legal (at least if the WTO would be worth even a bit after it got thoroughly gutted) game, just burning their effectively infinite cash reserves to undercut Western providers and eventually force them out of business.

In the end there's barely any moat that any of the ludicrously "valued" AI companies have - the only thing justifying the valuations of SpaceX/xAI/Tesla/Anthropic/OpenAI is a supposed "secret sauce" that, frankly, barely exists any more.

Everyone and their dog can go and run LLMs for dirt cheap on their own hardware.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by colesantiago »

Alifatisk wrote: post #144
colesantiago wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is called phishing and grifting. Many people and even software engineers fall for this all the time. Most of these people are from crypto pivoting to AI doing this. AI has made this easier and cheaper and it is going to get a LOT worse. Imagine lots of websites with typosquatting and looking exactly the same as another website, vibe coded and cloned within seconds. The public have no chance.

What is there to phish? These are simple vibe coded websites providing information for a certain topic, nothing else. In this case, that 2nd url is a website with information regarding the new model as well as a broken chat interface to try out.

You do realise there are hundreds of these types of 'sites'.

This one that is listed is designed to rank on Google as an informational source (although unofficial and not from z.ai which is why I said it is phishing)

Assuming you are technical you are able to discern this, imagine the average person.

No chance.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by antimony51 »

_pdp_ wrote: post #133
johndough wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you recover from doom loops? Just send the same prompt again and pray that it works, or anything more sophisticated?

detect, slice & dice, re-prompt

It feels like all these models are missing a long horizon orchestrator of some kind. Humans don't think in a single thread, they have thoughts that appear, pause and disappear.

The reason humans don't go into a doom loop is because of this ability of other thoughts to interject and say, no this is stupid.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by _pdp_ »

antimony51 wrote: post #155
_pdp_ wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

detect, slice & dice, re-prompt

It feels like all these models are missing a long horizon orchestrator of some kind. Humans don't think in a single thread, they have thoughts that appear, pause and disappear. The reason humans don't go into a doom loop is because of this ability of other thoughts to interject and say, no this is stupid.

IDK In my experience humans do go into doom loops.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by sunaookami »

plumeria wrote: post #128
Aurornis wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle. Everything new in the LLM space brings a wave of influencers hyping it up as a revolutionary leap forward. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to learn more. It is a capable small model, but it’s not frontier level. The interesting part will be seeing the model size, how it responds to quantization, and how fast it runs on the kind…

> Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle. They claim an "independent community benchmark" (pass-fail evaluation on tasks) here: https://oxalpha.com/ox-alpha-vs-fable-5

That's a fake slop hype website.

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by Alifatisk »

colesantiago wrote: post #153
Alifatisk wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is there to phish? These are simple vibe coded websites providing information for a certain topic, nothing else. In this case, that 2nd url is a website with information regarding the new model as well as a broken chat interface to try out.

You do realise there are hundreds of these types of 'sites'. This one that is listed is designed to rank on Google as an informational source (although unofficial and not from z.ai which is why I said it is phishing) Assuming you are technical you are able to discern this, imagine the average person. No chance.

> You do realise there are hundreds of these types of 'sites'.

Yes, and its these sorts of websites I am asking about.

> This one that is listed is designed to rank on Google as an informational source (although unofficial and not from z.ai which is why I said it is phishing)

Again, what is there to phish?

Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

colesantiago wrote: post #36
Alifatisk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have plenty of these websites, I can’t understand why someone is doing this.

It is called phishing and grifting. Many people and even software engineers fall for this all the time. Most of these people are from crypto pivoting to AI doing this. AI has made this easier and cheaper and it is going to get a LOT worse. Imagine lots of websites with typosquatting and looking exactly the same as another website, vibe coded and cloned within seconds. The public have no chance.

Phishing implies exploitable data collection. Is that happening here?
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