Only reason people are interested is it’s free at the moment. I wasn’t impressed by its performance. Once the model gets a price tag it’s usage will be negligible.
The price is free for some of us, we can run it at home.
Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
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Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#122There's a lot of brand confusion among the Chinese models right now. Kimi, Qwen, GLM, Z.ai, Ox. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor. It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that ChatGPT and Gemini are two different things. PS: some replies,…
There's no brand confusion, you are just unfamiliar with them.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#123I had Ox Alpha working on coding tasks for a couple days non-stop, via OpenRouter and OpenCode Zen. Crush harness. It was able to complete tasks at a level that I'd put between Sonnet and Opus. It makes few mistakes, but is not that smart. The main issue for me, is that it degraded into a doom loop several times. One of them was running the same bash command about a thousand times. The last model I've used that had t…
I couldn't get past all the network errors on OpenCode. Seemed smart enough, and was useful when I was low on usage on Claude, but beyond that, really hard for me to say whether it was Good or Bad.
I asked it to create a design system in Paper, and it actually did a fairly decent job when it wasn't getting network errors. I'd say it's much, much closer to good than bad.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#124Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?
Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle. Everything new in the LLM space brings a wave of influencers hyping it up as a revolutionary leap forward. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to learn more. It is a capable small model, but it’s not frontier level. The interesting part will be seeing the model size, how it responds to quantization, and how fast it runs on the kind…
I think so much of this is people greenfield-ing things as benchmarks, which is nearly always a success case for any AI these days.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#125There's a lot of brand confusion among the Chinese models right now. Kimi, Qwen, GLM, Z.ai, Ox. We might know the difference (or I should say, someone does because I'm losing track already) but these models have no chance at end user penetration and loyalty until there's a single focused survivor. It took me a year talking about it until my wife knew that ChatGPT and Gemini are two different things. PS: some replies,…
There will never be any significant loyalty in this field, models are commodities, we will keep switching to the best/most convenient for a long time.
Proper usage in applications will go through similar considerations.
The only "captive" users will be non-tech enterprise users, but they are already in Gemini/Copilot land because they are natural extension to existing Google Cloud/Teams plans and nobody cares about what models are inside those, procurement, contracts and data retention are what matters.
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#126Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
All smaller models and models behind frontier are expected to be released by default. Otherwise there’s no reason to produce them. Chinese labs are not releasing all of their model weights. Qwen is known as an open weight model by most, but their top model is not open weight. Releasing weights is a marketing strategy for newer labs to get their brand out there.
Well, i don't see demands from people to release chatgpt 4o.
It's funny that you chose the exactly model that has a huge fanbase asking for it to be added back. ChatGPT 4o got a lot of people addicted.
https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-pr...
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#128Mixed signals, here it's performing below even GPT-5.4 Nano: https://livebench.ai/ while here it outperforms Fable by a significant margin: https://oxalpha.com/ but if the latter is true, will people still say it was "distilled" from Fable?
Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle. Everything new in the LLM space brings a wave of influencers hyping it up as a revolutionary leap forward. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to learn more. It is a capable small model, but it’s not frontier level. The interesting part will be seeing the model size, how it responds to quantization, and how fast it runs on the kind…
> Claims about Ox Alpha performing at Fable level were from the social media hype cycle.
They claim an "independent community benchmark" (pass-fail evaluation on tasks) here: https://oxalpha.com/ox-alpha-vs-fable-5
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#129I had Ox Alpha working on coding tasks for a couple days non-stop, via OpenRouter and OpenCode Zen. Crush harness. It was able to complete tasks at a level that I'd put between Sonnet and Opus. It makes few mistakes, but is not that smart. The main issue for me, is that it degraded into a doom loop several times. One of them was running the same bash command about a thousand times. The last model I've used that had t…
Doom loops are as much of a model problem as it is deficiency of the harness. I have not seen any other open source harness that deals with them except the one I started because of this obvious gap. See my other comment with examples where 0x Alpha is working non-stop on various projects with zero problems.
How do you recover from doom loops? Just send the same prompt again and pray that it works, or anything more sophisticated?
Re: Z.ai confirms Ox Alpha is a new GLM-series model and will release its weights
#130Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default
Xi has made it official policy, see his keynote speech at their World AI Conference last month:
> We should seize this rare, historic opportunity to encourage open source, openness, collaboration and sharing. [1]
People have pointed that this seemingly made Alibaba/Qwen turn around from closing their models (this was rumored after the shakeup early this year [2]) and release the weights for even the Max variant of their new models, which they previously did not.
1: http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/18/content_118605...